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Old 04-17-2013, 02:59 PM
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I refuse to post mine until Sighty posts hers.


Sighty dear please show him yours so he'll show us his.
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Old 04-17-2013, 03:12 PM
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Sighty dear please show him yours so he'll show us his.
In this particular instance ... mine isn't much worth seeing.
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Old 04-17-2013, 04:31 PM
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Sighty dear please show him yours so he'll show us his.
I'm going for the long tantalizing tease!





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Old 04-17-2013, 05:46 PM
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Current consensus 5-4-3-2-1 top to bottom.

Orb-55
Normandy Invasion-29
Goldenencents-27
Verrazano-24
Govenor Charlie-20
Itsmyluckyday-20
Java's War-20
Revolutionary-18
Lines of Battle-9
Overanalyze-9
Palice Malice-9
Oxbow-7
Will Take Charge-7
Falling Sky-4
Super Ninety Nine-3
Black Onyx-2
Frac Daddy-2
Tiz a Minister-2
Vyjack-2
MyLute-1

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Old 04-17-2013, 06:40 PM
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Current consensus 5-4-3-2-1 top to bottom. Vyjack asking for your support

Orb-42
Normandy Invasion-24
Goldenencents-23
Govenor Charlie-20
Revolutionary-16
Itsmyluckyday-15
Java's War-12
Verrazano-10
Lines of Battle-9
Overanalyze-7
Oxbow-7
Will Take Charge-7
Falling Sky-4
Palice Malice-4
Super Ninety Nine-3
Black Onyx-2
Frac Daddy-2
Tiz a Minister-2
MyLute-1
i have vyjack in my exacta pix, in mmsc's thread. surprised he's not gotten any support in this one.
or maybe i'll be the one surprised?
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Old 04-17-2013, 09:50 PM
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Current consensus 5-4-3-2-1 top to bottom. Vyjack asking for your support

Orb-42
Normandy Invasion-24
Goldenencents-23
Govenor Charlie-20
Revolutionary-16
Itsmyluckyday-15
Java's War-12
Verrazano-10
Lines of Battle-9
Overanalyze-7
Oxbow-7
Will Take Charge-7
Falling Sky-4
Palice Malice-4
Super Ninety Nine-3
Black Onyx-2
Frac Daddy-2
Tiz a Minister-2
MyLute-1
It was a draw between Oxbow and Will Take Charge for me and a wet track would change my choice between the two and I'll really be reading what is said about them in the next few weeks leading up to the Derby. Few of these horses really seem like they are "bred for the distance." I would love to hear what someone like Andy thinks about the repeated bad trips for Oxbow. Normandy is a more "solid" selection of the pair, but the overflowing love has turned me off.

Itsmyluckyday is a leave in here because his best races are some of the best of the group and he'll likely be overlooked.

Ok Dougie. Show me yours.
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Old 04-26-2013, 11:05 AM
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Ok Dougie. Show me yours.
I haven't had time to take a more complete look at the projected field until this morning.

1.) Goldencents
2.) Normandy Invasion
3.) Revolutionary
4.) Verrazano
5.) Orb

A LOT of work still pending to be done after the race is drawn.

I'm especially interested in noting how horses who raced on the main track Santa Anita Derby day comeback and perform. I think the figure is solid that day, but I want to be sure the track wasn't speed biased. So, study will be done on how speeds and one-dimensional closers who raced that day performed next out.

Obviously, a more thorough review of all of the preps is needed for me. I don't see anything clear-cut ... and nothing ever is with very lightly raced 3-year-olds stretching out.
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Old 04-26-2013, 01:26 PM
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I haven't had time to take a more complete look at the projected field until this morning.

1.) Goldencents
2.) Normandy Invasion
3.) Revolutionary
4.) Verrazano
5.) Orb

A LOT of work still pending to be done after the race is drawn.

I'm especially interested in noting how horses who raced on the main track Santa Anita Derby day comeback and perform. I think the figure is solid that day, but I want to be sure the track wasn't speed biased. So, study will be done on how speeds and one-dimensional closers who raced that day performed next out.

Obviously, a more thorough review of all of the preps is needed for me. I don't see anything clear-cut ... and nothing ever is with very lightly raced 3-year-olds stretching out.
Thoughts on Mylute and Overanalyze?
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Old 04-26-2013, 04:35 PM
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  • Goldencents
  • itsmyluckyday
  • Mylute
  • Java's War
  • Orb
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Old 04-26-2013, 10:59 PM
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Thoughts on Mylute and Overanalyze?
None of the other closers in this race can move with Mylute, he has a Street Sense like far turn move, to say he hasn't been able to sustain it has been an understatement.

I bet him in the Louisiana Derby last time because I loved the blinkers coming off and he had strong efforts two and three back. He got a patient ride, looked like a certain winner, and even without the blinkers, he hung terribly again in deep stretch and it cost him the win.

If this was Europe and they had in-race exchange wagering, I'd look to take a position betting against him at the top of the stretch because he will look serious turning for home. He could run a Wheelaway type race.

Overanalyze is one of the few Pletchers I expect to improve a lot as the year goes on.

All throughout history, when horses run big races going 9 furlongs as 2-year-olds and are subsequently laid up... they always struggle to come back to form initially.

In the old days, horses like Overanalyze and Normandy Invasion would have been brought back in 6 furlong races and trained harder. Overanalyze and Normandy Invasion are Travers horses IMO. I expect steady improvement from both through the summer.
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Old 05-04-2013, 11:48 AM
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It was a draw between Oxbow and Will Take Charge for me and a wet track would change my choice between the two and I'll really be reading what is said about them in the next few weeks leading up to the Derby. Few of these horses really seem like they are "bred for the distance." I would love to hear what someone like Andy thinks about the repeated bad trips for Oxbow. Normandy is a more "solid" selection of the pair, but the overflowing love has turned me off.

Itsmyluckyday is a leave in here because his best races are some of the best of the group and he'll likely be overlooked.

Ok Dougie. Show me yours.
Taking out Will Take Charge for Overanalyze
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Old 05-04-2013, 12:40 PM
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Who's going to run with Goldencents for the first 1/2 mile? I think he'll be loping along 3+ lengths out in front, unless he can't get footing on the wet track.

1. Goldencents
2. Itsmyluckyday
3. Orb
4. Verrazano
5. Java's War



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Old 05-04-2013, 01:06 PM
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1. Verrazano
2. Revolutionary
3. Normandy Invasion
4. Java's War
5. Orb
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Old 04-18-2013, 04:08 PM
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I keep looking for who else has him and am not seeing it (and yes, I know it's terribly important but just sayin...)
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:10 PM
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I keep looking for who else has him and am not seeing it (and yes, I know it's terribly important but just sayin...)
I will let you know exactly who else has him only if you give your reasons for choosing him. They don't have to be good reasons.
For instance I chose Govenor Charlie only because he has no relationship with any other runner in the field. The same could be said for the Dubai runner although he has had past relationships with more notable runners who could be running in the derby.
Hint: Don't look too far from your post.
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:27 PM
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I will let you know exactly who else has him only if you give your reasons for choosing him. They don't have to be good reasons.
For instance I chose Govenor Charlie only because he has no relationship with any other runner in the field. The same could be said for the Dubai runner although he has had past relationships with more notable runners who could be running in the derby.
Hint: Don't look too far from your post.
He's improving at the right time.

I liked the move he made during the San Felipe when he was like 18 lengths back... to me it says he has right style to be a Derby winner.

I liked him when he won the race at at HP back in November.

Prior to that, at Del Mar, Iggy had the mount and he was 2nd which shows that he doesn't need a good jockey (I do like Talamo a LOT).

I like Talamo a LOT (I just said that but it's officially a reason).

He looked good beating Omega Star and Surfcup back in January.

I like that his trainer is not a Pletcher or Baffert type.

He'll be at good odds.

He is the biggest horse his owners have ever had... hard not to root for that kinda thing.
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Old 04-18-2013, 05:41 PM
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He's improving at the right time.

I liked the move he made during the San Felipe when he was like 18 lengths back... to me it says he has right style to be a Derby winner.

I liked him when he won the race at at HP back in November.

Prior to that, at Del Mar, Iggy had the mount and he was 2nd which shows that he doesn't need a good jockey (I do like Talamo a LOT).

I like Talamo a LOT (I just said that but it's officially a reason).

He looked good beating Omega Star and Surfcup back in January.

I like that his trainer is not a Pletcher or Baffert type.

He'll be at good odds.

He is the biggest horse his owners have ever had... hard not to root for that kinda thing.
AWESOME Now I'd like to hear from the soup 99 guy.

Anyway the points are assigned 5 for top pick,4 for 2nd,etc.
You chose him 4th giving him 2 points so you are the only one who chose him
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