mike rice, rutgers

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Gaelic Storm

It may just be semantics but I think Murdoch had a contract that was not renewed, I don't think he was technically fired. The entire thing was not handled well at all. The coach should have been fired as soon as they saw the video and now they all need to be taken out. I heard something about having to pay a bonus to the coach for finishing the season. I think it is
100K.

yeah, i just saw that about the bonus.

[Danzig]

Eric Murdock did not have his contract renewed for a third term earlier this month.

The Bridgewater high school legend and former Providence All-American, who played nine years at point guard in the NBA, represented Rutgers at community service events and youth camps in addition to mentoring players individually. Some philosophical differences led the parting.


that last line takes on new meaning now, doesn't it?

http://blogs.mycentraljersey.com/hoo...ers-part-ways/

[MaTH716]

Apparently the AD has been fired now too.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Apparently the AD has been fired now too.

as he should have been. you'd think people would learn from previous universities' mistakes....but i guess not. why oh why is so much emphasis placed on athletics, to the point that there are mini-dictatorships running amok in these institutions?

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as he should have been. you'd think people would learn from previous universities' mistakes....but i guess not. why oh why is so much emphasis placed on athletics, to the point that there are mini-dictatorships running amok in these institutions?

He resigned, and according to his letter, wanted Rice canned in the first place.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

He resigned, and according to his letter, wanted Rice canned in the first place.

yeah, i saw when i got home that he'd resigned...that he wished he'd done otherwise with the coach. i figure he'll get another job way before rice does.

[Cannon Shell]

This is not the big deal that it has been made out to be. ESPN made the story, without ESPN pushing the buttons this probably blows over because NO ONE cares about Rutgers basketball. Comparisons to Penn State are ridiculous. While it is obvious that the coach was over the top his conduct wasn't criminal and the fact is that college athletics and probably most other things involved with Universities are all about money. The way colleges handle most things makes your head spin from admissions, to tenure to them accepting millions of state and federal aid yet still cutting staff all the while sitting sometimes on billions of dollars of endowment money.

In effect a coach at a 2nd rate program goes over the top in practice, his assistant quits/gets fired and uses the tape to try to blackmail the school and presumably the coach and AD, the AD goes to the President who doesnt bother to view the tape and hands out a suspension which costs the coach a nice chunk of money and a few games on the bench. Fast forward a few months and all of a sudden everyone is covering up something? Huh? Didn't they punish the coach very publicly? Just because people don't think that it was severe enough everyone should be fired? This is political correctness run amok. The only one suing anyone is the blackmailer. As I said before no crimes were committed. No player is suing or charging the coach or assistant or AD. The scandal is more or less leaves Rutgers basketball in the same place it was before, nowhere. Bob Knight choked a guy and Texas Tech and ESPN had no problems hiring him afterwards. Yeah firing him at the time was probably the prudent thing to do. Yeah I can see the President of the school covering his ass by sacking him now because bad PR is the enemy of a school president. But this is hardly the big deal that its been made out to be.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is not the big deal that it has been made out to be. ESPN made the story, without ESPN pushing the buttons this probably blows over because NO ONE cares about Rutgers basketball. Comparisons to Penn State are ridiculous. While it is obvious that the coach was over the top his conduct wasn't criminal and the fact is that college athletics and probably most other things involved with Universities are all about money. The way colleges handle most things makes your head spin from admissions, to tenure to them accepting millions of state and federal aid yet still cutting staff all the while sitting sometimes on billions of dollars of endowment money.

In effect a coach at a 2nd rate program goes over the top in practice, his assistant quits/gets fired and uses the tape to try to blackmail the school and presumably the coach and AD, the AD goes to the President who doesnt bother to view the tape and hands out a suspension which costs the coach a nice chunk of money and a few games on the bench. Fast forward a few months and all of a sudden everyone is covering up something? Huh? Didn't they punish the coach very publicly? Just because people don't think that it was severe enough everyone should be fired? This is political correctness run amok. The only one suing anyone is the blackmailer. As I said before no crimes were committed. No player is suing or charging the coach or assistant or AD. The scandal is more or less leaves Rutgers basketball in the same place it was before, nowhere. Bob Knight choked a guy and Texas Tech and ESPN had no problems hiring him afterwards. Yeah firing him at the time was probably the prudent thing to do. Yeah I can see the President of the school covering his ass by sacking him now because bad PR is the enemy of a school president. But this is hardly the big deal that its been made out to be.

Great read on this. NY Times reporting FBI investigating Murdoch for extortion attempt. Anyone defending him as a whistleblower needs to consider the letter to the school requesting 950 K to settle things prior to his release of the video.

[dellinger63]

In some people's tiny minds calling someone a fairy or fa@@ot is equivlent to stabbing or shooting them. ESPN has a lot of time to fill so every story needs to be overblown.

Just take the recent story of a ND linebacker being fooled or the four gay NFL players expected to 'come out' soon? It's a non-sports story and should be covered by E not ESPN.

And does anyone remember Wade Davis former Titan, Redskin and Seahawk? He came out and no one seemed to bat an eye.

Why?

Beacause it doesn't matter to the vast majority of sports fans who see a football player, not a gay or straight man no matter how hard ESPN and the media at large try to make it relevent.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

In some people's tiny minds calling someone a fairy or fa@@ot is equivlent to stabbing or shooting them. ESPN has a lot of time to fill so every story needs to be overblown.

Just take the recent story of a ND linebacker being fooled or the four gay NFL players expected to 'come out' soon? It's a non-sports story and should be covered by E not ESPN.

And does anyone remember Wade Davis former Titan, Redskin and Seahawk? He came out and no one seemed to bat an eye.

Why?

Beacause it doesn't matter to the vast majority of sports fans who see a football player, not a gay or straight man no matter how hard ESPN and the media at large try to make it relevent.

Isn't the real story that people in the NFL would have an issue with an openly gay player and not the fans?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Isn't the real story that people in the NFL would have an issue with an openly gay player and not the fans?

I don't think so. Unless they are somehow different than Boxing and Tennis Federations.

Billie Jean King/Arthur Ashe seemed to have no problems and that was 30 years ago.

Some might have a problem but they also probably disagree with interracial marriages. And 'they' are a extremely small percentage of the population IMO.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I don't think so. Unless they are somehow different than Boxing and Tennis Federations.

Billie Jean King/Arthur Ashe seemed to have no problems and that was 30 years ago.

Some might have a problem but they also probably disagree with interracial marriages. And 'they' are a extremely small percentage of the population IMO.

arthur ashe? he wasn't gay. he got hiv/aids from a blood transfusion.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is not the big deal that it has been made out to be. ESPN made the story, without ESPN pushing the buttons this probably blows over because NO ONE cares about Rutgers basketball. Comparisons to Penn State are ridiculous. While it is obvious that the coach was over the top his conduct wasn't criminal and the fact is that college athletics and probably most other things involved with Universities are all about money. The way colleges handle most things makes your head spin from admissions, to tenure to them accepting millions of state and federal aid yet still cutting staff all the while sitting sometimes on billions of dollars of endowment money.

In effect a coach at a 2nd rate program goes over the top in practice, his assistant quits/gets fired and uses the tape to try to blackmail the school and presumably the coach and AD, the AD goes to the President who doesnt bother to view the tape and hands out a suspension which costs the coach a nice chunk of money and a few games on the bench. Fast forward a few months and all of a sudden everyone is covering up something? Huh? Didn't they punish the coach very publicly? Just because people don't think that it was severe enough everyone should be fired? This is political correctness run amok. The only one suing anyone is the blackmailer. As I said before no crimes were committed. No player is suing or charging the coach or assistant or AD. The scandal is more or less leaves Rutgers basketball in the same place it was before, nowhere. Bob Knight choked a guy and Texas Tech and ESPN had no problems hiring him afterwards. Yeah firing him at the time was probably the prudent thing to do. Yeah I can see the President of the school covering his ass by sacking him now because bad PR is the enemy of a school president. But this is hardly the big deal that its been made out to be.

the behavior of the coach doesn't compare to penn state, that's for sure. however, it is another example of a sports program not properly handling a problem, in this case a coach with anger issues, and a bad coaching philosophy

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I don't think so. Unless they are somehow different than Boxing and Tennis Federations.

Billie Jean King/Arthur Ashe seemed to have no problems and that was 30 years ago.

Some might have a problem but they also probably disagree with interracial marriages. And 'they' are a extremely small percentage of the population IMO.

Arthur Ashe wasn't light in the tennis shoes. Where did you dream that up ?

on a side note...coaches have been screaming and throwing things at players forever. That **** was mild.

[Conrad]

My swim coach stood poolside with a stack of kickboards during practice, and he was deadly with a head shot from about 20yds and in.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Conrad

My swim coach stood poolside with a stack of kickboards during practice, and he was deadly with a head shot from about 20yds and in.

lots of things used to be done differently. things change.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I don't think so. Unless they are somehow different than Boxing and Tennis Federations.

Billie Jean King/Arthur Ashe seemed to have no problems and that was 30 years ago.

Some might have a problem but they also probably disagree with interracial marriages. And 'they' are a extremely small percentage of the population IMO.

You clearly missed the comments by Chris Culliver during Super Bowl week.

Why do you think players come out AFTER they are out of the league? Coincidence?

[MaTH716]

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-...78--ncaab.html

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaab-...78--ncaab.html

I threw the toaster at you because you're TOAST!

OMG..Classic

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the behavior of the coach doesn't compare to penn state, that's for sure. however, it is another example of a sports program not properly handling a problem, in this case a coach with anger issues, and a bad coaching philosophy

I guess. If the coach was winning he is still there. As I said before Division 1 sports are a business and money trumps all including boorish behavior.