mike rice, rutgers

[NTamm1215]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as he should have been. you'd think people would learn from previous universities' mistakes....but i guess not. why oh why is so much emphasis placed on athletics, to the point that there are mini-dictatorships running amok in these institutions?

He resigned, and according to his letter, wanted Rice canned in the first place.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by NTamm1215

He resigned, and according to his letter, wanted Rice canned in the first place.

yeah, i saw when i got home that he'd resigned...that he wished he'd done otherwise with the coach. i figure he'll get another job way before rice does.

[Cannon Shell]

This is not the big deal that it has been made out to be. ESPN made the story, without ESPN pushing the buttons this probably blows over because NO ONE cares about Rutgers basketball. Comparisons to Penn State are ridiculous. While it is obvious that the coach was over the top his conduct wasn't criminal and the fact is that college athletics and probably most other things involved with Universities are all about money. The way colleges handle most things makes your head spin from admissions, to tenure to them accepting millions of state and federal aid yet still cutting staff all the while sitting sometimes on billions of dollars of endowment money.

In effect a coach at a 2nd rate program goes over the top in practice, his assistant quits/gets fired and uses the tape to try to blackmail the school and presumably the coach and AD, the AD goes to the President who doesnt bother to view the tape and hands out a suspension which costs the coach a nice chunk of money and a few games on the bench. Fast forward a few months and all of a sudden everyone is covering up something? Huh? Didn't they punish the coach very publicly? Just because people don't think that it was severe enough everyone should be fired? This is political correctness run amok. The only one suing anyone is the blackmailer. As I said before no crimes were committed. No player is suing or charging the coach or assistant or AD. The scandal is more or less leaves Rutgers basketball in the same place it was before, nowhere. Bob Knight choked a guy and Texas Tech and ESPN had no problems hiring him afterwards. Yeah firing him at the time was probably the prudent thing to do. Yeah I can see the President of the school covering his ass by sacking him now because bad PR is the enemy of a school president. But this is hardly the big deal that its been made out to be.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is not the big deal that it has been made out to be. ESPN made the story, without ESPN pushing the buttons this probably blows over because NO ONE cares about Rutgers basketball. Comparisons to Penn State are ridiculous. While it is obvious that the coach was over the top his conduct wasn't criminal and the fact is that college athletics and probably most other things involved with Universities are all about money. The way colleges handle most things makes your head spin from admissions, to tenure to them accepting millions of state and federal aid yet still cutting staff all the while sitting sometimes on billions of dollars of endowment money.

In effect a coach at a 2nd rate program goes over the top in practice, his assistant quits/gets fired and uses the tape to try to blackmail the school and presumably the coach and AD, the AD goes to the President who doesnt bother to view the tape and hands out a suspension which costs the coach a nice chunk of money and a few games on the bench. Fast forward a few months and all of a sudden everyone is covering up something? Huh? Didn't they punish the coach very publicly? Just because people don't think that it was severe enough everyone should be fired? This is political correctness run amok. The only one suing anyone is the blackmailer. As I said before no crimes were committed. No player is suing or charging the coach or assistant or AD. The scandal is more or less leaves Rutgers basketball in the same place it was before, nowhere. Bob Knight choked a guy and Texas Tech and ESPN had no problems hiring him afterwards. Yeah firing him at the time was probably the prudent thing to do. Yeah I can see the President of the school covering his ass by sacking him now because bad PR is the enemy of a school president. But this is hardly the big deal that its been made out to be.

Great read on this. NY Times reporting FBI investigating Murdoch for extortion attempt. Anyone defending him as a whistleblower needs to consider the letter to the school requesting 950 K to settle things prior to his release of the video.

[dellinger63]

In some people's tiny minds calling someone a fairy or fa@@ot is equivlent to stabbing or shooting them. ESPN has a lot of time to fill so every story needs to be overblown.

Just take the recent story of a ND linebacker being fooled or the four gay NFL players expected to 'come out' soon? It's a non-sports story and should be covered by E not ESPN.

And does anyone remember Wade Davis former Titan, Redskin and Seahawk? He came out and no one seemed to bat an eye.

Why?

Beacause it doesn't matter to the vast majority of sports fans who see a football player, not a gay or straight man no matter how hard ESPN and the media at large try to make it relevent.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

In some people's tiny minds calling someone a fairy or fa@@ot is equivlent to stabbing or shooting them. ESPN has a lot of time to fill so every story needs to be overblown.

Just take the recent story of a ND linebacker being fooled or the four gay NFL players expected to 'come out' soon? It's a non-sports story and should be covered by E not ESPN.

And does anyone remember Wade Davis former Titan, Redskin and Seahawk? He came out and no one seemed to bat an eye.

Why?

Beacause it doesn't matter to the vast majority of sports fans who see a football player, not a gay or straight man no matter how hard ESPN and the media at large try to make it relevent.

Isn't the real story that people in the NFL would have an issue with an openly gay player and not the fans?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Isn't the real story that people in the NFL would have an issue with an openly gay player and not the fans?

I don't think so. Unless they are somehow different than Boxing and Tennis Federations.

Billie Jean King/Arthur Ashe seemed to have no problems and that was 30 years ago.

Some might have a problem but they also probably disagree with interracial marriages. And 'they' are a extremely small percentage of the population IMO.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

This is not the big deal that it has been made out to be. ESPN made the story, without ESPN pushing the buttons this probably blows over because NO ONE cares about Rutgers basketball. Comparisons to Penn State are ridiculous. While it is obvious that the coach was over the top his conduct wasn't criminal and the fact is that college athletics and probably most other things involved with Universities are all about money. The way colleges handle most things makes your head spin from admissions, to tenure to them accepting millions of state and federal aid yet still cutting staff all the while sitting sometimes on billions of dollars of endowment money.

In effect a coach at a 2nd rate program goes over the top in practice, his assistant quits/gets fired and uses the tape to try to blackmail the school and presumably the coach and AD, the AD goes to the President who doesnt bother to view the tape and hands out a suspension which costs the coach a nice chunk of money and a few games on the bench. Fast forward a few months and all of a sudden everyone is covering up something? Huh? Didn't they punish the coach very publicly? Just because people don't think that it was severe enough everyone should be fired? This is political correctness run amok. The only one suing anyone is the blackmailer. As I said before no crimes were committed. No player is suing or charging the coach or assistant or AD. The scandal is more or less leaves Rutgers basketball in the same place it was before, nowhere. Bob Knight choked a guy and Texas Tech and ESPN had no problems hiring him afterwards. Yeah firing him at the time was probably the prudent thing to do. Yeah I can see the President of the school covering his ass by sacking him now because bad PR is the enemy of a school president. But this is hardly the big deal that its been made out to be.

the behavior of the coach doesn't compare to penn state, that's for sure. however, it is another example of a sports program not properly handling a problem, in this case a coach with anger issues, and a bad coaching philosophy

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the behavior of the coach doesn't compare to penn state, that's for sure. however, it is another example of a sports program not properly handling a problem, in this case a coach with anger issues, and a bad coaching philosophy

I guess. If the coach was winning he is still there. As I said before Division 1 sports are a business and money trumps all including boorish behavior.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I guess. If the coach was winning he is still there. As I said before Division 1 sports are a business and money trumps all including boorish behavior.

which is why i said above, the guy wasn't even doing well at rutgers. you tend to have more rope to hang yourself with if you're having success, but he wasn't.
it's funny, some took nike and tiger woods to task for his commercial that said winning fixes everything. but it does.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

it's funny, some took nike and tiger woods to task for his commercial that said winning fixes everything. but it does.

In the PC World there are no winners or losers, just equal participants.

And Nike being a corporate giant is supposed to follow the PC guide book.