GP P6 carryover

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

IMO it's a manageable sequence. The toughest of the four maiden races is the first leg, so you can get a look at the board. Fogozano ran well against a tough field in his debut, so unless Pletcher's horse in the 11th is a rocketship, he could be a realistic single. I also think Nora's Song is clearly the horse to beat in the 13th and the 9th has a small group of logicals. I actually think the toughest race is the $6,250 claimer in the 10th. Plenty of horses with back races that fit and a murky pace scenario.

The 8th and 10th aside, which are very difficult races, the 11th seems wide open to me.

I agree Fogozano ran well, but not single worthy for me at least, especially with a Pletcher firster in there. They paid 260k for Artic Bear last April, which is a lot for an offspring of Political Force. If you can look past the debut, his work pattern looks alright and he could improve enough to win. Lochte was a 475k yearling so it wouldn't totally shock me to see him come out running although his trainers runners usually need one. Herd Mentality appears to be working well in the morning for a trainer who can get a horse to win first out. Best Man did everything but win first out, for a trainer who is good going turf to dirt and the dam was 2nd in the Gallant Bloom on dirt and finally even Maximum Impact isn't impossible, especially because Dennis Manning loves to put a horse over who has been working in Ocala.

after all that, you're probably right and Fogozano will win and pay $5 but that race is giving me fits.

[santana]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

The 8th and 10th aside, which are very difficult races, the 11th seems wide open to me.

I agree Fogozano ran well, but not single worthy for me at least, especially with a Pletcher firster in there. They paid 260k for Artic Bear last April, which is a lot for an offspring of Political Force. If you can look past the debut, his work pattern looks alright and he could improve enough to win. Lochte was a 475k yearling so it wouldn't totally shock me to see him come out running although his trainers runners usually need one. Herd Mentality appears to be working well in the morning for a trainer who can get a horse to win first out. Best Man did everything but win first out, for a trainer who is good going turf to dirt and the dam was 2nd in the Gallant Bloom on dirt and finally even Maximum Impact isn't impossible, especially because Dennis Manning loves to put a horse over who has been working in Ocala.

after all that, you're probably right and Fogozano will win and pay $5 but that race is giving me fits.

If JV hangs around to ride Fogozano...i would probably single him...instead of going to keenland...tough rack of races, but when playing for a dime...thats alot of fun....

[santana]

Originally Posted by santana

If JV hangs around to ride Fogozano...i would probably single him...instead of going to keenland...tough rack of races, but when playing for a dime...thats alot of fun....

As of right now, i have a 150.00 ticket.....using just 3-11 in race 9...just a reach.

[Bogey]

Interesting to see Castellano sticking around for closing day and not at KEE on FRI.

[South Beach Luv]

Originally Posted by Bogey

Interesting to see Castellano sticking around for closing day and not at KEE on FRI.

Rosario is only 5 wins behind him, if he gets closer on Wednesday and Thursday wonder if he will regret not sticking around on Friday.

[Bogey]

Originally Posted by South Beach Luv

Rosario is only 5 wins behind him, if he gets closer on Wednesday and Thursday wonder if he will regret not sticking around on Friday.

Hard to believe that Rosario would give up his mount on Fire Guard on FRI to challenge for the riding title at GP after cashing out in Dubai.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by santana

If JV hangs around to ride Fogozano...i would probably single him...instead of going to keenland...tough rack of races, but when playing for a dime...thats alot of fun....

JV will be at Keeneland.

[RockHardTen1985]

The 11th feels like 3,6 to me. Why would anyone want any horse who ran already in this race?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Why would anyone want any horse who ran already in this race?

You prefer just guessing on if a firster can run? Seems like a solid way to attack a pick 6.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

You prefer just guessing on if a firster can run? Seems like a solid way to attack a pick 6.

A chance to discuss races without insulting me? Cool. First off, I won't play that pick 6. I might play some Keeneland Friday and wait for Aqu Saturday. If I were playing I would roll with 3,6. I don't like anything that's run. We know Pletcher is deadly first out, and KMC can hit. Both horses are well bred, especially the 6. It's not the strongest opinion, but it's how I would play the race.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

A chance to discuss races without insulting me? Cool. First off, I won't play that pick 6. I might play some Keeneland Friday and wait for Aqu Saturday. If I were playing I would roll with 3,6. I don't like anything that's run. We know Pletcher is deadly first out, and KMC can hit. Both horses are well bred, especially the 6. It's not the strongest opinion, but it's how I would play the race.

And it's a horrible way to try and play a pick 6. Who cares if you are insulted? Your presence here is insulting.

Multi race exotics are all about getting through the races you don't have a strong opinion on, IMO. If you don't have a strong opinion, it makes no sense to just guess and limit yourself to 2 horses.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

And it's a horrible way to try and play a pick 6. Who cares if you are insulted? Your presence here is insulting.

Multi race exotics are all about getting through the races you don't have a strong opinion on, IMO. If you don't have a strong opinion, it makes no sense to just guess and limit yourself to 2 horses.

We lost each other there. I was happy that you didn't insult me. Now I do feel a bit insulted, but it's fine. Like I said I'm not playing it. I disagree with you though. If you don't have a strong opinion you spread deeper and spend more $?

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

We lost each other there. I was happy that you didn't insult me. Now I do feel a bit insulted, but it's fine. Like I said I'm not playing it. I disagree with you though. If you don't have a strong opinion you spread deeper and spend more $?

You do your best to get through the leg, while going light in the legs you have a stronger opinion in. You don't have to hit the all button, but if Fogozano wins as the favorite and cost you the pick 6, while you catch a price or two in the other legs, wouldn't you feel kind of dumb?

[philcski]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

The 11th feels like 3,6 to me. Why would anyone want any horse who ran already in this race?

Why would anyone want a firster against a horse that already ran a winning race? Did you watch it? He missed the break and lost 2 lengths and stayed on nicely against a tough field. Four have come back and three ran well, the other was the 6th place horse beaten 40 lengths. Velazquez jumps on when he had two other great options (3,10). Lochte looks like a horse to me that takes a bunch of money and finishes an indifferent 5th. Obviously I'm not betting against Pletcher in his playground hard with the 3 though.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by philcski

Why would anyone want a firster against a horse that already ran a winning race? Did you watch it? He missed the break and lost 2 lengths and stayed on nicely against a tough field. Four have come back and three ran well, the other was the 6th place horse beaten 40 lengths. Velazquez jumps on when he had two other great options (3,10). Lochte looks like a horse to me that takes a bunch of money and finishes an indifferent 5th. Obviously I'm not betting against Pletcher in his playground hard with the 3 though.

JV won't be there Phil.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

JV won't be there Phil.

He may not be, but I generally don't let riders influence my decisions- but I'll definitely look at if he has options.

Purses are mostly better at GP than KEE, for what it's worth.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by philcski

He may not be, but I generally don't let riders influence my decisions- but I'll definitely look at if he has options.

Purses are mostly better at GP than KEE, for what it's worth.

I hear ya. I don't think he is going to give up the mount on Jack Milton. I could be wrong.
As for this pick 6 and pick 6's in general I'm not really equipped to discuss them. I don't play them. I was interested in talking the races.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

The 8th and 10th aside, which are very difficult races, the 11th seems wide open to me.

I agree Fogozano ran well, but not single worthy for me at least, especially with a Pletcher firster in there. They paid 260k for Artic Bear last April, which is a lot for an offspring of Political Force. If you can look past the debut, his work pattern looks alright and he could improve enough to win. Lochte was a 475k yearling so it wouldn't totally shock me to see him come out running although his trainers runners usually need one. Herd Mentality appears to be working well in the morning for a trainer who can get a horse to win first out. Best Man did everything but win first out, for a trainer who is good going turf to dirt and the dam was 2nd in the Gallant Bloom on dirt and finally even Maximum Impact isn't impossible, especially because Dennis Manning loves to put a horse over who has been working in Ocala.

after all that, you're probably right and Fogozano will win and pay $5 but that race is giving me fits.

I'd feel alot better about the $260k for the 2 if it was someone other than Bear Stables. He throws away money like Klaravich on underbred horses that run fast furlongs at under tack shows like it's going out of style. This one went 21 2/5 which was tied for 50th best out of 250 (on synthetic of course)... decent but not great. Certainly has a chance though.

I like your thoughts on Herd Mentality (speaking of Klaravich at 2yo sales), very live at 10 or 12/1. No times available at the FTM sale though.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by philcski

I'd feel alot better about the $260k for the 2 if it was someone other than Bear Stables. He throws away money like Klaravich on underbred horses that run fast furlongs at under tack shows like it's going out of style. This one went 21 2/5 which was tied for 50th best out of 250 (on synthetic of course)... decent but not great. Certainly has a chance though.

I like your thoughts on Herd Mentality (speaking of Klaravich at 2yo sales), very live at 10 or 12/1. No times available at the FTM sale though.

Herd Mentality is the only firster other than Pletcher's that I'm seriously considering. One Brave Warrior looks to be pretty fit but I generally don't like Proctor in this kind of spot.

[JJP]

Fogonazo broke about 2 slow in that last. Think he will be right on/near the pace with a solid break. I would be against McLaughlin's first timer; his horses always seem to run much better in their 2nd start. The sleeper may be Bob and the Gang, who led two tough horses for 4 furlongs back on March 9. Pletcher's runner can't be dismissed.