2012 Eclipse Awards finalists

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Doug..

The way they score the thing, only the first place votes on a ballot really matter in terms of determining the finalists and winners.. the rest is window dressing. I subscribed to the Crist theory that Little Mike deserved Turf and then didn't think Fort Larned deserved to go without recognition, so I exclusively recognized Wise Dan as HOY only. It was a quirky year in that respect and I think all 3 of them should get something as opposed to Wise Dan getting 2 or even all 3 honors. And the way for me to 'voice' that was how I filled out the ballot.

They use a 10-5-1 point system for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

So, 3rd does count for a point and 2nd certainly matters.

Maybe they can make more awards like the Vox Populi for recognition in regard to horses who could have won divisions in other years, but might come up short this time.

If Wise Dan is your horse of the year -- he should certainly be in the top 3 in some other category. Logic dictates.

Dale Romans should be offended if he sees that ballot...

Shackleford 2nd for older male and Little Mike 1st in the turf category with no Wise Dan anywhere in sight ... it's almost like you're implying that Romans isn't a competent trainer and these horses deserve special recognition or extra credit for overcoming his bad training.

That is until Dale Romans reads he's been selected your outstanding trainer of the year.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

They use a 10-5-1 point system for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. So, 3rd does count for a point and 2nd certainly matters.

If Wise Dan is your horse of the year -- he should certainly be in the top 3 in some other category. Logic dictates.

About the scoring, the prelim process (10-5-1) identifies the 3 finalists but the 1st place votes then determine the winner. That's what I mean about the importance of the first place vote and the rest being window dressing.

The thing about logic dictating in this process is that there are plenty of elements to these discussions where logic is belied. As Privman said on Loose on the Lead today when I asked him, every year is a free standing circumstance and since there is no set formula for "older horse" v. "turf horse", voter perception rules. Yes the older horse and turf horse and HOY can colide -- John Henry -- but when Kotashaan was HOY and grass champion, Bertrando was best older male. If Kotashaan was HOY, why wasn't he top older male too?

My inclination is to reward everyone that was worthy and since there is a format available to acknowledge the best 'handicap' (dirt) elder -- Fort Larned -- the best 'traditional' grass horse -- Little Mike -- and the best horse overall for the year -- Wise Dan -- I chose to take advantage of it.

[Sightseek]

Rock on Dale wins trainer of the year!!!

[Merlinsky]

Wow, Questing beat My Miss Aurelia 106 to 102. What a squeaker.

Who did Pincay III say was his favorite older male horse to ride? My video got all tied up in knots right there and I missed it.

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Wow, Questing beat My Miss Aurelia 106 to 102. What a squeaker.

Who did Pincay III say was his favorite older male horse to ride? My video got all tied up in knots right there and I missed it.

Affirmed.

[geeker2]

don't ever get old........





Morton Fink

[keithting]

Congrats to Dale Romans !!!

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Sightseek

Affirmed.

Thanks. I guess I meant Pincay II. Oops. Both of 'em on stage threw me on the Roman numerals.


Turns out Wise Dan knew he was gonna win HOY: http://twitter.yfrog.com/0fszyiituyvmmxlppvwzhvlsz I love how when she called to him, he just rushes right over to the door.

[gamblin4ever]

Congrats to all the winners.

I was listening on sirius and Romans sounded as if he was starting to cry.

[Sightseek]

Looking like a Dan sweep!