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Old 01-06-2013, 07:51 AM
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How I would have voted...

Horse of the Year
Wise Dan, Fort Larned, Game On Dude

2-Year-Old Male
Shanghai Bobby, Overanalyze, Normandy Invasion

2-Year-Old Female
Beholder, Dreaming of Julia, Executiveprivilege

3-Year-Old Male
I’ll Have Another, Bodemeister, Union Rags

3-Year-Old Female
Questing, My Miss Aurelia, Contested

Older Male
Wise Dan, Fort Larned, Game on Dude

Older Female
Royal Delta, Groupie Doll, Include Me Out

Male Sprinter
Trinniberg, Amazombie, Emcee

Female Sprinter
Groupie Doll, Contested, Beholder

Turf Male
Wise Dan, Point of Entry, Little Mike

Trainer
Bob Baffert, Mike Hushion, Todd Pletcher

Jockey
Ramon Dominguez, Jose Lezcano, Javier Castellano

Apprentice Jockey
Wilmer Garcia, Jilver Charmafi, Irad Ortiz Jr.
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:37 AM
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How I would have voted...

Horse of the Year
Wise Dan, Fort Larned, Game On Dude

2-Year-Old Male
Shanghai Bobby, Overanalyze, Normandy Invasion

2-Year-Old Female
Beholder, Dreaming of Julia, Executiveprivilege

3-Year-Old Male
I’ll Have Another, Bodemeister, Union Rags

3-Year-Old Female
Questing, My Miss Aurelia, Contested

Older Male
Wise Dan, Fort Larned, Game on Dude

Older Female
Royal Delta, Groupie Doll, Include Me Out

Male Sprinter
Trinniberg, Amazombie, Emcee

Female Sprinter
Groupie Doll, Contested, Beholder

Turf Male
Wise Dan, Point of Entry, Little Mike

Trainer
Bob Baffert, Mike Hushion, Todd Pletcher

Jockey
Ramon Dominguez, Jose Lezcano, Javier Castellano

Apprentice Jockey
Wilmer Garcia, Jilver Charmafi, Irad Ortiz Jr.
I'm surprised you don't have Dale Romans in your final 3 for trainer. His barn was outstanding from start to finish, better than 25% in Grade I races with a $3.61 ROI. Unlike Todd Pletcher, who was 4-14 in Grade I races for 2YOs, all of Romans' Grade Is were with 3YO and up on turf, dirt and synthetic. He got 2 Grade Is out of Tapitsfly. That's Eclipse worthy alone.

As far as Wise Dan, in my opinion, he is deserving of Horse of the Year and Older turf male, which is unfortunate for horses like Little Mike and Point of Entry, who both had phenomenal years. If we would like in the end for the Older Male Eclipse to be more of a dirt-oriented award, which I would, then I'd vote for Fort Larned.
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Old 01-06-2013, 10:12 AM
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I'm surprised you don't have Dale Romans in your final 3 for trainer.
Romans had a great year.

He was a 16% trainer who was 4th in earnings. I don't knock anyone who wanted to put him top 3 or even first.
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Old 01-06-2013, 10:51 AM
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Here was one of the more head scratching things you'll ever see ... Beholder, in her six furlong prep for the BC Juvie Fillies and first career dirt start, running faster (90) than any Breeders Cup Sprint entrants last 3 races (88)






And that's on a pace adjusted figure! Her Beyer of 108 was also the same Trinniberg earned while winning the Breeders Cup Sprint.

Obviously, these things are supposed to be about accomplishments throughout a year more than performance ... but I think Beholder is simply a much better dirt sprinter than any female to race last year with the exception of Groupie Doll and Contested.

Avoiding the duel with Kauai Katie was obviously big for her in the BC Juvie Fillies ... but I think she's MUCH better as a sprinter.
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:50 PM
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I'm surprised you don't have Dale Romans in your final 3 for trainer.
Speaking of Dale Romans ...

"He has Rick Pitino's colt Siva debuting in race 7 at Gulfstream Thursday, as well as Bobby Flay's Conversationalist in the same race."
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:40 PM
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Speaking of Dale Romans ...

"He has Rick Pitino's colt Siva debuting in race 7 at Gulfstream Thursday, as well as Bobby Flay's Conversationalist in the same race."
The single most amazing thing about those two horses are that they're both homebreds. Their dams were awful, Siva's being a little bit worse.

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Old 01-06-2013, 01:43 PM
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Maybe someday they will grow up to make Doug's list of solid horses with really slow dams?
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:22 PM
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Those dams honestly aren't that bad.

The top one was 2nd to Kodiak Kowboy and had black type.

The bottom one ran fairly good numbers for a 2yo filly and was bet.

Every year you have top horses from broodmares who stunk on the track. The dam of Groupie Doll and the dam of Hansen both broke their maiden at Mountaineer Park.

The dam of Wise Dan and the dam of Little Mike were both mediocre Illinois breds. The dam of Little Mike was a little better racer, but she was running for $5,000 claiming tags near the end.

Since Hansen won an Eclipse in 2011 and Groupie Doll will win one in 2012, I checked the 2010 winners to see if the dam of any of them broke their maiden at Mountaineer.

The dam of champion female sprinter Dubai Majesty raced at Birmingham and Thistle Downs and ran for $4,000 claiming tags. The dam of Lookin At Lucky won a maiden claiming race at Sam Houston ... but no luck on 3 straight Eclipse winners coming from broodmares who got the maiden win at Mountaineer Park.
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Old 01-06-2013, 02:26 PM
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Correction, the dam of Hansen broke her maiden in a $5,000 maiden claiming race at Turfway. She won a starter alw race at Mountaineer, not her maiden.
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Old 01-06-2013, 09:41 AM
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How I would have voted...

Horse of the Year
Wise Dan, Fort Larned, Game On Dude

2-Year-Old Male
Shanghai Bobby, Overanalyze, Normandy Invasion

2-Year-Old Female
Beholder, Dreaming of Julia, Executiveprivilege

3-Year-Old Male
I’ll Have Another, Bodemeister, Union Rags

3-Year-Old Female
Questing, My Miss Aurelia, Contested

Older Male
Wise Dan, Fort Larned, Game on Dude

Older Female
Royal Delta, Groupie Doll, Include Me Out

Male Sprinter
Trinniberg, Amazombie, Emcee

Female Sprinter
Groupie Doll, Contested, Beholder
Turf Male
Wise Dan, Point of Entry, Little Mike

Trainer
Bob Baffert, Mike Hushion, Todd Pletcher

Jockey
Ramon Dominguez, Jose Lezcano, Javier Castellano

Apprentice Jockey
Wilmer Garcia, Jilver Charmafi, Irad Ortiz Jr.
Let's discuss the three I highlighted...

Amazombie? Ah, no.

Beholder? Not eligible.

Wilmer Garcia???? I beg to differ. I know he's the board darling, and I wish him a speedy recovery, but Jose Ortiz rides circles around him.
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Old 01-06-2013, 10:05 AM
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Let's discuss the three I highlighted...

Amazombie? Ah, no.

Beholder? Not eligible.

Wilmer Garcia???? I beg to differ. I know he's the board darling, and I wish him a speedy recovery, but Jose Ortiz rides circles around him.
Amazombie tailed off (ala Questing) -- but he was the consensus top rated sprinter heading into the fall and no one did anything impressive as he tailed off. He was still the Breeders Cup Sprint favorite despite an absolutely dreadful prep race. To me, he won the first half of the year and Trinniberg won the second half by winning the definitive race.

As for Beholder -- I thought the award was for "outstanding female sprinter" -- since I don't vote, or pay much attention to these, I think it is appropriate to put her into the 3rd spot on the simple fact that her prep for the BC Juvie fillies produced a higher speed figure than any Breeders Cup Sprint entrant on everyones figures.

I will take your word on the apprentice jockeys of New York.
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