Hunters Are Awesome

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

wolves are dangerous mofo's.

I'd never hunt them for sport.

But if i was out in the wilderness and came across a wolf pack, I'd sure hope i had an automatic weapon on me.

"In the past 100 years, there have been only two incidents in North America, in 2005 and 2010, where wolves have allegedly killed a human being. In comparison to deaths caused by other large carnivores, this is an extremely rare rate of occurrence.
Wolves usually have a natural fear of people that is only eroded when they learn to associate humans and human settlement with opportunities to find food."

http://www.livingwithwolves.org/AW_question1.html

You have a 1000x times greater chance of being killed by a dog. In the US, there are usually over 20 people killed every year by dogs.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Check out this amazing video of the Warriors and Wolves program:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFLCctF0pj8

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

"In the past 100 years, there have been only two incidents in North America, in 2005 and 2010, where wolves have allegedly killed a human being. In comparison to deaths caused by other large carnivores, this is an extremely rare rate of occurrence.
Wolves usually have a natural fear of people that is only eroded when they learn to associate humans and human settlement with opportunities to find food."

http://www.livingwithwolves.org/AW_question1.html

You have a 1000x times greater chance of being killed by a dog. In the US, there are usually over 20 people killed every year by dogs.

Thanks for the sobering statistics showing now besides the maiming, disfiguring of our pets , the destruction of our lifestock and game that it is now gotten to the alarming point that within the last seven years wolfs are not only attacking people and maiming them, they are actually killing them. I think those in charge of conservation have indeed done the right thing. Dismissing Bleeding Heart Liberals such as yourself and doing what is right for the wildlife population and human population. I am glad they don't see life as a Disney movie but the reality that it is. I have all the confidence in the world once they curtail the exploding wolf population (if that ever happens) they will once again shut down the hunting season. Thank god for hunters, they truly are Awesome. Disclosure. I am not a hunter however I respect their right to hunt and will continue to defend them against Bleeding Heart Liberals trying to interject more government into our lives and take away that right.

http://www.saveelk.com/wolf_003.htm

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

Thanks for the sobering statistics showing now besides the maiming, disfiguring of our pets , the destruction of our lifestock and game that it is now gotten to the alarming point that within the last seven years wolfs are not only attacking people and maiming them, they are actually killing them. I think those in charge of conservation have indeed done the right thing. Dismissing Bleeding Heart Liberals such as yourself and doing what is right for the wildlife population and human population. I am glad they don't see life as a Disney movie but the reality that it is. I have all the confidence in the world once they curtail the exploding wolf population (if that ever happens) they will once again shut down the hunting season. Thank god for hunters, they truly are Awesome. Disclosure. I am not a hunter however I respect their right to hunt and will continue to defend them against Bleeding Heart Liberals trying to interject more government into our lives and take away that right.

http://www.saveelk.com/wolf_003.htm

This.
Except I am a hunter, though wolves have yet to make it this far South it has become an increasing concern.

[Dahoss]

Who goes to Yellowstone Park to see the most famous wolf in the world?

[rpncaine]

I thought that was Yogi?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

Thanks for the sobering statistics showing now besides the maiming, disfiguring of our pets , the destruction of our lifestock and game that it is now gotten to the alarming point that within the last seven years wolfs are not only attacking people and maiming them, they are actually killing them. I think those in charge of conservation have indeed done the right thing. Dismissing Bleeding Heart Liberals such as yourself and doing what is right for the wildlife population and human population. I am glad they don't see life as a Disney movie but the reality that it is. I have all the confidence in the world once they curtail the exploding wolf population (if that ever happens) they will once again shut down the hunting season. Thank god for hunters, they truly are Awesome. Disclosure. I am not a hunter however I respect their right to hunt and will continue to defend them against Bleeding Heart Liberals trying to interject more government into our lives and take away that right.

http://www.saveelk.com/wolf_003.htm

You always acted like I was a right winger. Now I'm a bleeding heart liberal all of a sudden? The more I think about it, I may be on the wrong side of this argument. Something needs to be done about these evil wolves! They are bad animals! They need to be killed!

Do you think there are too many government regulations when it comes to hunting (not just wolf hunting but all hunting)? Do you think there should be any regulations?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You always acted like I was a right winger. Now I'm a bleeding heart liberal all of a sudden?

Do you think there are too many government regulations when it comes to hunting (not just wolf hunting but all hunting)? Do you think there should be any regulations?

You are very much every thing the right wing is about. Contradiction. As far as do I think there should be more or less regulations, I am not a hunter so I am not the person to ask. That question would best be answered by Clip as he is a hunter. My gut is that those involved in conservation in this country take it very seriously and the regulations in place work.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by jms62

You are very much every thing the right wing is about. Contradiction. As far as do I think there should be more or less regulations, I am not a hunter so I am not the person to ask. That question would best be answered by Clip as he is a hunter. My gut is that those involved in conservation in this country take it very seriously and the regulations in place work.

I don't contradict myself at all. I think there should be strong regulation on activities that affect other people. There should be no regulation on things that don't affect other people. I should be able to do whatever I want in the privacy of my own home. If I'm blasting my music and disturbing other people, that is a different story.

As I said in a previous post, I should not be able to go to a park and chop down a giant tree because it is not my tree and some people may like that tree. I would say the same thing for shooting an animal. If you have a situation where a herd of animals absolutely has to be trimmed for their own good, then hunting may be ok, if there is no reasonable alternative (such as relocating the animals).

[3kings]

In Pennsylvania alone last year there were 14,000 reported accidents and 41 deaths caused by deer being hit by cars. Certainly hunting helps reduce this number and it is still out of control.

An average year sees 350,000 deer shot legally in PA, where would you like to relocate them and who will pay for it?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by 3kings

In Pennsylvania alone last year there were 14,000 reported accidents and 41 deaths caused by deer being hit by cars. Certainly hunting helps reduce this number and it is still out of control.

An average year sees 350,000 deer shot legally in PA, where would you like to relocate them and who will pay for it?

Government and then blame it on Obama. Also good luck trapping these guys. I say relocate them to someones refrigerator.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by 3kings

In Pennsylvania alone last year there were 14,000 reported accidents and 41 deaths caused by deer being hit by cars. Certainly hunting helps reduce this number and it is still out of control.

When people live in areas inhabited by animals, that is going to happen. What is the answer? Should we kill all the animals so that there will be no more car accidents?

Animals have just as much right to inhabit the country as we do. I realize there are situations where a herd gets so big that something needs to be done.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by 3kings

In Pennsylvania alone last year there were 14,000 reported accidents and 41 deaths caused by deer being hit by cars. Certainly hunting helps reduce this number and it is still out of control.

An average year sees 350,000 deer shot legally in PA, where would you like to relocate them and who will pay for it?

There is a possibility that hunting is the only feasible alternative in Pennsylvania. I couldn't tell you. I don't know what the situation is there. If there was a place to relocate the deer, I would say that people like JMS should pay for it. He likes the government to spend other people's money on programs they don't want. Let's see the government spend JMS' money on programs he doesn't want and let's see how he likes it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by 3kings

In Pennsylvania alone last year there were 14,000 reported accidents and 41 deaths caused by deer being hit by cars. Certainly hunting helps reduce this number and it is still out of control.

An average year sees 350,000 deer shot legally in PA, where would you like to relocate them and who will pay for it?

whitetails are incredibly adaptive animals. they thrive even in large cities. the amount of deer in this country now dwarfs the herds from colonial times. factor in that there are less and less people hunting each year, along with less predators, and more land clearing which helps the deer....it's a growing problem.

and in most, if not all states, hunters and fisherman are the ones who provide funds for game and fish, natural resources and other budgets thru license and permit fees. ridding the country of hunting and fishing would cause an already bad problem to become a lot worse.
there are towns and municipalities here and elsewhere who are having issues with wildlife and their mayhem and destruction. many places have instituted bowhunts and other hunting plans to cut back on the urban deer populations. people like wildlife until it's eating their shrubs and attacking when you're trying to get in your car.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I don't contradict myself at all. I think there should be strong regulation on activities that affect other people. There should be no regulation on things that don't affect other people. I should be able to do whatever I want in the privacy of my own home. If I'm blasting my music and disturbing other people, that is a different story.

As I said in a previous post, I should not be able to go to a park and chop down a giant tree because it is not my tree and some people may like that tree. I would say the same thing for shooting an animal. If you have a situation where a herd of animals absolutely has to be trimmed for their own good, then hunting may be ok, if there is no reasonable alternative (such as relocating the animals).

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by jms62

http://www.saveelk.com/wolf_003.htm

I am somewhat skeptical of statistics coming from a site whose content creator doesn't know the difference between "lose" and "loose." Or that there is no "e" in "Grizzly."

[jms62]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I am somewhat skeptical of statistics coming from a site whose content creator doesn't know the difference between "lose" and "loose." Or that there is no "e" in "Grizzly."

What you are skeptical that the links to all those statistics to seemingly valid news and research articles are wrong becuase that person can't spell?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by jms62

What you are skeptical that the links to all those statistics to seemingly valid news and research articles are wrong becuase that person can't spell?

Yes. And I am even more skeptical after I google the owner of the site and find out Idaho has suspended his hunting and fishing license for three years for elk poaching:

http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?...0#.UMpDS6Wl00s

[jms62]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Yes. And I am even more skeptical after I google the owner of the site and find out Idaho has suspended his hunting and fishing license for three years for elk poaching:

http://www.mtexpress.com/index2.php?...0#.UMpDS6Wl00s

So what does that have to do with the links to external sources?

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by jms62

So what does that have to do with the links to external sources?

Well, some of the links don't go anywhere, so those statements fall under "unsubstantiated." And with some he draws conclusions that aren't supported by the data- case in point, a Yellowstone piece showing changes in elk distribution he interprets as "wolves will exterminate all elk" which is quite a reach.

And there's the approvingly presented quote from someone wishing that all wolves be exterminated because apparently a wolf killed a pregnant mule deer, ripped out the calves and ate part of them, therefore, wolves are bloodthirsty, barbaric monsters. At which point I just put my head down on my computer for awhile.