bcs games

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

My favorite this year is a team that went 4-4 in a pretty weak big 10 this year could make the BCS. I'd say Wisconsin has a 50-50 shot to beat Nebraska. I find it all a joke. AFter a full season of football it's obvious who deserves the BCS bid in the probation laden Big 10...it's Nebraska. Thankfully Notre Dame did save the BCS from a duplicate situation this year with the SEC champ playing Florida for the title. I'll watch the championship game this year, I didn't last year. Had no interest for me. I understand the SEC is the best conference in football, but the title game last year was meaningless.

Until the NCAA completely ends it, the BCS, bowl system etc, they are hypocritical beyond comprehension with their money whoring. Get rid of conference championship games, end the seaon Thanksgiving weekend, and have a 16 team playoff and have the championship game at a warm weather neutal site. The end. It seems to work at division 1-AA, 2, and 3 just fine. They have even expanded beyond 16 teams I think with higher seeds getting first round byes. It would work and everyone knows it would work.

sure it would work.

it's the money. all about the money. for many of these schools, the football program funds the rest of their sports. maryland for example cut 8-9 sports in the past year, they didn't have the funds.

playoffs work for the smaller schools because they don't have a lucrative bowl system already in place. you can bet your behind if fbs finds a way for playoffs to pay what bowls do, they'll change. until then, forget it.
they made the deals to take conference champs to keep money going to more schools. if you go by top ten alone, you'll have sec taking home the bulk of the cash. in the current system, you have many schools sharing the tv wealth. change to playoffs, and that will all go away. then only a few schools would have the funds, and the others would disappear.

Muschamp had the right take on this earlier in the week. When asked to comment on Sabin's bemoaning the fact that the loser of the 'Bama/GA game will not go the Sugar Bowl, he simply offered to take the Tide's place against GA for the title game.

[Danzig]

"With Northern Illinois, Louisville and Wisconsin all earning BCS bowls, it marks the first time in the BCS era (since 1999) that three teams ranked lower than No. 15 earned a BCS bowl berth."


the rule that created the above illustrates perfectly why there will not be a playoff. conferences have to be assured a spot so as to provide funds to schools. this is why schools jockey to get into certain conferences, so they can share the wealth. it's why notre dame, other than football, joined a conference. and only notre dame has enough backing to forego joining a conference in football. so that should tell you just how much money is flowing into that school.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Ocala Mike

Muschamp had the right take on this earlier in the week. When asked to comment on Sabin's bemoaning the fact that the loser of the 'Bama/GA game will not go the Sugar Bowl, he simply offered to take the Tide's place against GA for the title game.

always very easy to talk trash when it's hypothetical.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

always very easy to talk trash when it's hypothetical.

talk trash? he was responding to trash.

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Danzig

sure it would work.

it's the money. all about the money. for many of these schools, the football program funds the rest of their sports. maryland for example cut 8-9 sports in the past year, they didn't have the funds.

playoffs work for the smaller schools because they don't have a lucrative bowl system already in place. you can bet your behind if fbs finds a way for playoffs to pay what bowls do, they'll change. until then, forget it.
they made the deals to take conference champs to keep money going to more schools. if you go by top ten alone, you'll have sec taking home the bulk of the cash. in the current system, you have many schools sharing the tv wealth. change to playoffs, and that will all go away. then only a few schools would have the funds, and the others would disappear.

Originally Posted by Danzig

"With Northern Illinois, Louisville and Wisconsin all earning BCS bowls, it marks the first time in the BCS era (since 1999) that three teams ranked lower than No. 15 earned a BCS bowl berth."


the rule that created the above illustrates perfectly why there will not be a playoff. conferences have to be assured a spot so as to provide funds to schools. this is why schools jockey to get into certain conferences, so they can share the wealth. it's why notre dame, other than football, joined a conference. and only notre dame has enough backing to forego joining a conference in football. so that should tell you just how much money is flowing into that school.

I'm sure Northern Illinois is going to lose money by going to the Orange Bowl. See UConn's Fiesta Bowl trip 2 years ago, and UConn is in the Big East.

Currently the rule for Notre Dame is that they have to be in the top 8 in the BCS to go to a BCS bowl game, that is actually tougher for them to show than a non-BCS qualifying with a Top 16 rank (thanks to the weak BCS conference of the Big East).

Now this may had changed with Notre Dame's pact with the ACC. Notre Dame could be the ACC representative still for the Orange Bowl where they would have to share all Orange Bowl revenue with the ACC. They also get the luxury of being protected on being an ACC rep for an ACC contracted bowl. Again they would have to share revenue with the ACC. Now if they qualified in the future and ended up going to a different BCS Bowl, then all revenue goes to Notre Dame themselves. This of course can be renegotiated in the future when and if Notre Dame football join the conference. They are also subject to the ridiculous $50 million exit fee even without being fully in the ACC conference.

On a side note, Notre Dame football will not share its NBC contract, and will not receive any revenue from the ACC for its contract with ESPN. I doubt this will ever change unless Notre Dame football joins the conference or may possibly WNDU becomes an ABC affiliate when Notre Dame football's TV contract comes up in 2015. Not saying that it would happen but its a possibility. Then I would a assume the ACC would renegotiate with ESPN with the help from Notre Dame.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Crown@club

I'm sure Northern Illinois is going to lose money by going to the Orange Bowl. See UConn's Fiesta Bowl trip 2 years ago, and UConn is in the Big East.

Currently the rule for Notre Dame is that they have to be in the top 8 in the BCS to go to a BCS bowl game, that is actually tougher for them to show than a non-BCS qualifying with a Top 16 rank (thanks to the weak BCS conference of the Big East).

Now this may had changed with Notre Dame's pact with the ACC. Notre Dame could be the ACC representative still for the Orange Bowl where they would have to share all Orange Bowl revenue with the ACC. They also get the luxury of being protected on being an ACC rep for an ACC contracted bowl. Again they would have to share revenue with the ACC. Now if they qualified in the future and ended up going to a different BCS Bowl, then all revenue goes to Notre Dame themselves. This of course can be renegotiated in the future when and if Notre Dame football join the conference. They are also subject to the ridiculous $50 million exit fee even without being fully in the ACC conference.

On a side note, Notre Dame football will not share its NBC contract, and will not receive any revenue from the ACC for its contract with ESPN. I doubt this will ever change unless Notre Dame football joins the conference or may possibly WNDU becomes an ABC affiliate when Notre Dame football's TV contract comes up in 2015. Not saying that it would happen but its a possibility. Then I would a assume the ACC would renegotiate with ESPN with the help from Notre Dame.

i don't know that a team would lose money by going to a bcs bowl. it's an absurdity to me that they have 12 vs 15 in a bcs bowl to begin with. but they made rules about conferences and auto bids, and no more than one in a bcs from a conference (unless one goes to the title game) to keep the money going to more pots/conferences. it's too bad. they don't want all that tv money going to the sec (for example) but want to redistribute revenue to all conferences, which is what causes farcical match-ups like the orange bowl this year.
it's too bad. but what are you going to do?

[k9styl94]

...is any who plays Notre Dame

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i don't know that a team would lose money by going to a bcs bowl. it's an absurdity to me that they have 12 vs 15 in a bcs bowl to begin with. but they made rules about conferences and auto bids, and no more than one in a bcs from a conference (unless one goes to the title game) to keep the money going to more pots/conferences. it's too bad. they don't want all that tv money going to the sec (for example) but want to redistribute revenue to all conferences, which is what causes farcical match-ups like the orange bowl this year.
it's too bad. but what are you going to do?

Here's one article on UConn's Fiesta Bowl's experience

http://www.ctpost.com/news/article/R...wl-1038914.php

I'm sure Northern Illinois will have the same experience. Hey maybe the Notre Dame and Alabama fans could make a vacation out of it and help out by buying tickets from Northern Illinois.

Price gouging for these bowl games doesn't help for anybody either, fan or school.