No more Twinkies - Hostess out of business

[Rudeboyelvis]

How long before all of this factory equipment shows up in Mexico and we get our Twinkies back?

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

How long before all of this factory equipment shows up in Mexico and we get our Twinkies back?

Hope they sprinkle them with jalapeno sauce...yummy..

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Hope they sprinkle them with jalapeno sauce...yummy..

Better chance that they will be sprinkled with cocaine.

[Arletta]

History of the Twinkie

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hef0gCnTHxE

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

How long before all of this factory equipment shows up in Mexico and we get our Twinkies back?

Maybe - why would that happen? Oh yeaaahhh... that union thing...

18000 jobs gone. How many of those people voted Democrat, at their union's urging? Worked out real well.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Maybe - why would that happen? Oh yeaaahhh... that union thing...

18000 jobs gone. How many of those people voted Democrat, at their union's urging? Worked out real well.

I doubt how they voted has any impact whatsoever to their current situation.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

I doubt how they voted has any impact whatsoever to their current situation.

Not a direct result - no - the timeline is too short (10 days). Unless the givebacks were expanded to offset ObamaCare expenses, but even that seems too soon.

But, does it not cause one to question their political alignment? The same union that told you to vote Democratic is the one that lost you your job.

[Danzig]

i'm not a big union fan. i think some of the unions have lost touch with why they ever began.
that said, how many people think there's a possible correlation between lower union membership and lower wages? it's something to consider. there was an article a few months back that said as unions have gone downhilll, so have wages on average.
they aren't the entire solution, nor are they the entire problem. henry ford operated under the belief that the employee should make enough to buy the product he's making. in some places, that holds true. others, not at all.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Not a direct result - no - the timeline is too short (10 days). Unless the givebacks were expanded to offset ObamaCare expenses, but even that seems too soon.

But, does it not cause one to question their political alignment? The same union that told you to vote Democratic is the one that lost you your job.

that's a hell of a leap to make.

[OldDog]

[Rudeboyelvis]

Unions are a very convenient straw man to absorb the discontent people feel during hard times.

They primarily exist these days to insure a fair wage, adherence to schedules, and healthcare.

Everything that was bargained for years ago and have been history since the '90's (healthcare for life, cradle to grave healthcare for immediate family, lucrative pensions, etc.) have really nothing to do with the current work climate, the folks footing the bill for the last generations of these perks are lucky to be able to keep their union jobs (witness today).

The fact is, that unless and until we lower our standards to that of a 3rd world country, we will never be competitive with the 3rd world for those manufacturing jobs.

And it is spreading well beyond the lower middle class. Engineers graduating from college can't get entry-level jobs because there are qualified engineers with experience ready to do the work remotely in countries like Turkey, Singapore, etc. for a fraction of what an entry-level salary is here.

Blaming unions and union workers in particular for the "downfall of the economy" is simplistic and misguided. in my opinion.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Unions are a very convenient straw man to absorb the discontent people feel during hard times.

They primarily exist these days to insure a fair wage, adherence to schedules, and healthcare.

Everything that was bargained for years ago and have been history since the '90's (healthcare for life, cradle to grave healthcare for immediate family, lucrative pensions, etc.) have really nothing to do with the current work climate, the folks footing the bill for the last generations of these perks are lucky to be able to keep their union jobs (witness today).

The fact is, that unless and until we lower our standards to that of a 3rd world country, we will never be competitive with the 3rd world for those manufacturing jobs.

And it is spreading well beyond the lower middle class. Engineers graduating from college can't get entry-level jobs because there are qualified engineers with experience ready to do the work remotely in countries like Turkey, Singapore, etc. for a fraction of what an entry-level salary is here.

Blaming unions and union workers in particular for the "downfall of the economy" is simplistic and misguided. in my opinion.

It'll go even farther; just wait. A friend of mine who works in the legal profession told me that his law firm is testing out not assigning secretaries to the lower level lawyers; instead, they will email documents and things they need done to a floor of people they will never actually interact with. He thinks they'll eventually look to ship that sort of job overseas, too, or to a state with much lower wages.