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[Riot]

Agree with most of the comments here.

Regarding the voting, don't forget that most of the problems (outside of the hurricane areas) where in states where Governors deliberately shorted hours, eliminated polling places, and made voting more difficult for people. That disaster was a feature, not a bug.

Solution - vote for governors that believe every American deserves the franchise, and expand voting hours and make it easier and more accessible.

I do think it's time to make Election Day a national holiday, simply so everybody has it off. Only about half of eligible Americans vote now, anyway. I don't think the entire country should go vote-by-mail, leave that up to states.

Fiscal cliff? Go off it. Jump. It's not a disaster. It's the plan of Reid Senate right now, I believe. Let all the Bush tax cuts expire. Every single one.

Then in January, get bills passed to give the tax cuts you want to middle class. The GOP will not be able to fight against giving tax cuts. The Dems already have them over the barrel on this, and the Dems know it. The Dems know that McConnell won't compromise. Boehner lost about seven of his crazies, and may be able to compromise now. You simply make new tax cuts retroactive to January 1 so folks don't pay even a week of higher taxes. Not rocket science.

The federal spending has been cut. The deficit has been cut. People refuse to acknowledge reality. You can't pay off massive debt with only cutting the budget. You have to increase revenue, which means losing tax loopholes, the rich paying more, etc. Lots of little things. Eliminate the 10 largest corps in this country paying zero taxes.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Agree with most of the comments here.

Regarding the voting, don't forget that most of the problems (outside of the hurricane areas) where in states where Governors deliberately shorted hours, eliminated polling places, and made voting more difficult for people. That disaster was a feature, not a bug.

Solution - vote for governors that believe every American deserves the franchise, and expand voting hours and make it easier and more accessible.

I do think it's time to make Election Day a national holiday, simply so everybody has it off. Only about half of eligible Americans vote now, anyway. I don't think the entire country should go vote-by-mail, leave that up to states.

Fiscal cliff? Go off it. Jump. It's not a disaster. It's the plan of Reid Senate right now, I believe. Let all the Bush tax cuts expire. Every single one.

Then in January, get bills passed to give the tax cuts you want to middle class. The GOP will not be able to fight against giving tax cuts. The Dems already have them over the barrel on this, and the Dems know it. The Dems know that McConnell won't compromise. Boehner lost about seven of his crazies, and may be able to compromise now. You simply make new tax cuts retroactive to January 1 so folks don't pay even a week of higher taxes. Not rocket science.

The federal spending has been cut. The deficit has been cut. People refuse to acknowledge reality. You can't pay off massive debt with only cutting the budget. You have to increase revenue, which means losing tax loopholes, the rich paying more, etc. Lots of little things. Eliminate the 10 largest corps in this country paying zero taxes.

16 T-T-T-TRILLION dollars. Yeah, spending was cut. 6 trillion more was spent under your beloved president than when his predecessor, also to blame for all Obama's shortcomings, left office.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

16 T-T-T-TRILLION dollars.

You keep repeating this like a parrot, yet the multiple times I've asked you why you blame Obama for the 14.6 trillion that he didn't create you ignore me.

Why don't you stop repeating it?

Why do you blame this president for money taken from the Social Security trust fund 20 years ago?

Yeah, spending was cut. 6 trillion more was spent under your beloved president than when his predecessor, also to blame for all Obama's shortcomings, left office.

Yes, spending was cut, Joey. Fact. Obama's cost to our country has been 1.4 trillion dollars in Obama policies. We are the lowest federal spending since Eisenhower. Spending is LOWER than during Bush. The deficit has narrowed.

You repeatedly have shown you lump everything together, and don't understand the concept that spending that occured under Bush - and not paid for - keeps happening with interest no matter who the president is.

And I think you do it deliberately. You simply refuse to acknowledge reality.

And he's your president, too. No matter what you "believe", he's cut federal spending, narrowed the deficit, extended the life of Medicare 8 years, and given you massive healthcare insurance protections. Keep suffering.

[Riot]

The scene on FOX News during election night was a remarkable admixture of rage, denial, and ultimately, not too much acceptance. The Excluders have lost, the Includers have won.

http://davidkeithlaw.wordpress.com/...

In the hunger for information on Election Night, it never occurred to me to watch FOXNews. It was only late in the game, when the result was certain, that I allowed myself the luxury of flipping first to Jon Stewart, and then FOX, for some light entertainment.

What a mistake I made, not tuning in earlier to the FOX coverage, which by midnight EST, resembled an Oklahoma football squad, complete with cheerleaders, sitting shiva. The anchor man, someone named “Shep” who does not at first blush sound like a fool, was hissing and fuming about Romney’s ridiculous refusal to come out and concede. Ed Rollins, warhorse for the ages, mumbled about “uniting behind the President” (the first time, perhaps, that sentence has been uttered there since November 2008). A sharp edged blonde lady, in the customary red suit, carried the demeanor of a Dallas real estate agent who had just discovered her husband canoodling with another woman in the back of the Escalade. We need a word in English that means “glum anger”.

As my friend Steve wrote to me, these people were watching their world collapse – the magic realist 1950s world so artfully constructed in the minds of the FOXAmerican public, and apparently, in the brains of those who feed them the propaganda. Nowhere was this process better described than in Andrew Sullivan’s DailyDish blog, last night a luxurious mix of haughteur, glee and tearful relief.

Many good things happened last night. The President was returned with a strong majority of the vote; the Senate will see many new, smart, liberal Democrats where they were never expected to win; Maryland, Maine, Minnesota and Washington each passed referenda recognizing some form of marriage equality for gay Americans, and on and on. All shocking to the true believers of FoxAmerica and their mental fortress

There is much more to be said about the phenomenon of FoxAmerica, but what we can see this morning is this: there was for two centuries in America, an ascendant and dominant class of white, heterosexual men. For a time it literally enslaved blacks, disenfranchised women, marginalized minorities and tormented gays. This patriarchy, largely in the service of the rich, exploited and manipulated the people of America, through a process and philosophy of exclusion.

Members of that same class, and I count FDR their patron saint, opened the doors of power to people who were different. That same class of Americans laudably gave birth to the New Deal, the Marshall Doctrine, the War on Poverty and a strongly liberal sentiment which began to dissolve the walls of the old patriarchy. The 1960s saw a social revolution based on material wealth and psychological liberty, the 1990s saw the emergence of a new normal where inclusion, not exclusion, became the rule, and 2012 saw the congealing of a broad popular sentiment endorsing modest forms of collective action, social equality and inclusion.

This morning, the Includers are ascendant, and the Excluders are in the minority. The challenge for the winners, will be how to remain “inclusive” towards a rabid and wounded pack of hounds.

I mean foxes.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

The scene on FOX News during election night was a remarkable admixture of rage, denial, and ultimately, not too much acceptance. The Excluders have lost, the Includers have won.

http://davidkeithlaw.wordpress.com/...

Watched ABC coverage till they declared the winner..flip to Fox, was like a morque..couple of guys and Rove...the guys were moaning and Rove says 'hold on a minute not so fast, there's a few counties in northern Ohio that haven't reported in'..lol...not like 2000 eh Rove...what, $360mil his superpac blew...yikes...

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

You keep repeating this like a parrot, yet the multiple times I've asked you why you blame Obama for the 14.6 trillion that he didn't create you ignore me.

Why don't you stop repeating it?

Why do you blame this president for money taken from the Social Security trust fund 20 years ago?



Yes, spending was cut, Joey. Fact. Obama's cost to our country has been 1.4 trillion dollars in Obama policies. We are the lowest federal spending since Eisenhower. Spending is LOWER than during Bush. The deficit has narrowed.

You repeatedly have shown you lump everything together, and don't understand the concept that spending that occured under Bush - and not paid for - keeps happening with interest no matter who the president is.

And I think you do it deliberately. You simply refuse to acknowledge reality.

And he's your president, too. No matter what you "believe", he's cut federal spending, narrowed the deficit, extended the life of Medicare 8 years, and given you massive healthcare insurance protections. Keep suffering.

Your math is way off. Obama added 6 trillion to the national debt. That debt is the accumulation of the unpaid yearly deficits.

How do you get $1.4T? Give me the executive summary answer and not a thousand graphs.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Your math is way off. Obama added 6 trillion to the national debt. That debt is the accumulation of the unpaid yearly deficits.

How do you get $1.4T? Give me the executive summary answer and not a thousand graphs.

Just as an aside to reality intruding on conservative dogma, #natesilversongs is trending on Twitter ...

Joey - if you would actually READ the graph I have posted multiple times, it details "how I get to $1.4T"

[bigrun]

Ten right-wingers who got the election hilariously wrong.

3. Karl Rove: Party ID

In the Wall Street Journal, Bush’s Brain wrote, “It comes down to numbers. And in the final days of this presidential race, from polling data to early voting, they favor Mitt Romney.”

Desperate Democrats are now hanging their hopes on a new Quinnipiac University/New York Times/CBS News poll showing the president with a five-point Ohio lead. But that survey gives Democrats a +8 advantage in turnout, the same advantage Democrats had in 2008. That assumption is, to put it gently, absurd.

Yup, Democrats only had a 6-point turn-out advantage according to the exit polls.

9. Dick Morris: The Pollsters in My Head Say…

Morris is arguably the wrongest person in the universe with a mainstream platform, and he didn’t dissapoint in 2012.

http://www.salon.com/2012/11/08/ten_...riously_wrong/

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Ten right-wingers who got the election hilariously wrong.

They have confused religion for reality. They ignored this simple fact - that the middle line is 270 electoral votes and Romney has never been near it - for months:

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Ten right-wingers who got the election hilariously wrong.








http://www.salon.com/2012/11/08/ten_...riously_wrong/

newt gingrich should have at least gotten honorable mention.