Does the Public Understand Roe v Wade?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

So Ayn Rand is right about a figurative "death sentence", but in citing the real death caused by abortion I am wrong? Brilliant point - really.

I don't want to control anybody. I want there to be less murder of innocent babies - we call that abortion. I want people to think before they take risks, if they decide to take the risk anyway to realize they have the responsibility for what comes next, and that murdering an innocent person (their child) is not an option. Oh yeah - I'm a real control freak for that.

Your last statement is meaningless except as an admission that you have lost the argument by reverting to personal insults. You have nothing left to offer. Your well has run dry.

How about the person(s) who commit this murder called abortion? Have any special insults for them? I didn't kill anybody, so your words for them must be even more severe.

then it should please you to know that the number of abortions performed annually has seen a steady decline over the last 20 years or so. that's without reversing roe v wade.
since birth rates are also down, it would indicate that the moves to educate more people about bc is working, and that people are mitigating risk.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

then it should please you to know that the number of abortions performed annually has seen a steady decline over the last 20 years or so. that's without reversing roe v wade.
since birth rates are also down, it would indicate that the moves to educate more people about bc is working, and that people are mitigating risk.

Absolutely. It would be great if people didn't seek out abortion, abandoning the practice like they have abandoned smoking. And education should continue in that vein and hopefully more and more people will come to respect life, plan their family expansion according to their situation and what they can accommodate and take precautions.

I would not be as forceful on this subject except for the fact that I really do believe that life begins at conception. It's about the kids. We reserve our worst punishments for those who commit crimes against children - except if they are killed in utero. Very strange set of values our society has conglomerated.

The person making the "choice" is not the same person who is dying. That's a big problem.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Absolutely. It would be great if people didn't seek out abortion, abandoning the practice like they have abandoned smoking. And education should continue in that vein and hopefully more and more people will come to respect life, plan their family expansion according to their situation and what they can accommodate and take precautions.

I would not be as forceful on this subject except for the fact that I really do believe that life begins at conception. It's about the kids. We reserve our worst punishments for those who commit crimes against children - except if they are killed in utero. Very strange set of values our society has conglomerated.

The person making the "choice" is not the same person who is dying. That's a big problem.

and many, including myself, don't think life begins at conception. i know others are like yourself, and believe otherwise. i have no issue with your beliefs at all. however, much like you said above about biden, i also think people should decide for themselves, which is why the law should be left alone. that way, people can do just that.

one concern i do have tho, is many of the same who want roe v wade changed, also advocate getting rid of birth control. imo that is absolutely ludicrous as a viable suggestion, and is another example of people trying to force their beliefs on others. if people want to use the rhythm method, hey, more power to them. but i'd rather stick to tried and true methods. they say god will provide, i say he already has-he's given us the mental ability to learn how to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

one concern i do have tho, is many of the same who want roe v wade changed, also advocate getting rid of birth control. imo that is absolutely ludicrous as a viable suggestion, and is another example of people trying to force their beliefs on others. if people want to use the rhythm method, hey, more power to them. but i'd rather stick to tried and true methods. they say god will provide, i say he already has-he's given us the mental ability to learn how to prevent unwanted pregnancies.

I agree with you there. There is no issue with birth control the way I see it. It's not a singular living thing until both sperm and egg join, creating a unique new DNA series and a singular, growing organism. Keeping these two things apart is perfectly fine since you will not start the process of DNA definition and subsequent growth.

I see this strictly from a science point of view of defining where human life must begin. To be a human you have to have 46 chromosomes, not just 23 like reproductive cells do. And you have to be in one piece - whether that's a zygote, blastocyst, embryo, fetus, etc.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I agree with you there. There is no issue with birth control the way I see it. It's not a singular living thing until both sperm and egg join, creating a unique new DNA series and a singular, growing organism. Keeping these two things apart is perfectly fine since you will not start the process of DNA definition and subsequent growth.

I see this strictly from a science point of view of defining where human life must begin. To be a human you have to have 46 chromosomes, not just 23 like reproductive cells do. And you have to be in one piece - whether that's a zygote, blastocyst, embryo, fetus, etc.

i tell you what, go take out a life insurance policy on your zygote when your wife gets pregnant. get a ss number for that little cluster of cells as well. and let us all know how that turns out for you. should be a piece of cake.