Obama Top 50 accomplishments

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes - can you show what actual studies and figures they are using to show that?

I would just like the names of 2997 that refute their opinions.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I would just like the names of 2997 that refute their opinions.

Here's your baseline: the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office published a very well-covered study that says the stimulus worked.

Show one economist that says that data is wrong, and has his own data to disprove it

(Hint - I know of two, that I've put on Derby Trail twice before, lets see if you can find them)

[OldDog]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I would just like the names of 2997 that refute their opinions.

It gonna be more than that.

"President Obama has relied on short-term “stimulus” programs, which provided little sustainable lift to the economy. His future plans are to double down on the failed policies, which will only prolong slow growth and high unemployment."
http://economistsforromney.com/
654 signatures to date. So, she needs to come up with around 654,000.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by OldDog

It gonna be more than that.

"President Obama has relied on short-term “stimulus” programs, which provided little sustainable lift to the economy. His future plans are to double down on the failed policies, which will only prolong slow growth and high unemployment."
http://economistsforromney.com/
654 signatures to date. So, she needs to come up with around 654,000.

Yes, as I posted in the other thread, "stimulus" is, by definition, short term. So your economists agree with definitions of stimulus.

Can you post anything from an economist proving the CBO data wrong? That the stimulus didn't work?

Because the above doesn't say that, in spite of your pretending it does.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, as I posted in the other thread, "stimulus" is, by definition, short term. So your economists agree with definitions of stimulus.

Can you post anything from an economist proving the CBO data wrong? That the stimulus didn't work?

Because the above doesn't say that, in spite of your pretending it does.

You are burdened with proof in this, you claimed 999 out of 1000 stand behind it working, now the argument is the CBO said so...
Please provide the names of the economists that are supporting the stimulus, and do so at the above rate.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

You are burdened with proof in this, you claimed 999 out of 1000 stand behind it working now the argument is the CBO said so...
Please provide the names of the economists that are supporting the stimulus, and do so at the above rate.

Yep - here's your proof: The CBO said the stimulus worked. Please provide one economist that says the CBO's facts about jobs and GDP are wrong.

Just one economist who disputes the CBO's numbers on jobs and GDP.

We'll wait.

In fact, I started another entire thread for you to join and discuss this and post your studies.

Here's some figures for you to reference - I've posted the link to the CBO report previously in other threads

November 2011 Politico

The economy would have been in much worse shape without the 2009 stimulus — which increased employment in the third quarter of this year by as many as 3.3 million full-time jobs, according to a report by the Congressional Budget Office.

Republican lawmakers and presidential candidates have blasted the $800 billion pumped into the economy through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act as a waste of taxpayer dollars that failed to put people back to work.

The nonpartisan CBO figures offer a more nuanced picture of how government spending impacted an economy still coping with unemployment above 9 percent. It provides an alternative glimpse of an economy with even higher unemployment and drastically lower growth.

The CBO figures released Tuesday estimate that the stimulus package raised the gross domestic product this past quarter by 0.3 percent-1.9 percent.

The CBO report provided a broad range of the estimated number of full-time jobs created because of the stimulus — from a low of 500,000 to a high of 3.3 million jobs.

Previous estimates indicated that the stimulus funded more than 400,000 full-time jobs in the third quarter, but the CBO said in its report that the figure was not a “comprehensive” look at the law’s impact.

The effects of the stimulus are fading after having peaked in the first half of 2010, the report noted.

However, the CBO estimates that the stimulus will raise GDP by 0.1 percent to 0.8 percent next year and employment by 200,000 to 1.1 million jobs.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories...#ixzz27W9GzEzC

[ARyan]

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by ARyan

Damned data always gets in the way of propaganda and demogoguery...

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

I would just like the names of 2997 that refute their opinions.

lol
don't hold your breath waiting.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
don't hold your breath waiting.

Yeah - I've yet to see anyone post data from one economist, in 2012, that disputes the CBO's report on the stimulus re: the effect on jobs and GDP.

You're right - don't hold your breathing waiting to see any one here be able to explain "why the stimulus is a massive failure" - other than that they hate Obama.

[Clip-Clop]

Math, not welcome here. Point proven again that once math is introduced to a debate on this forum the debate moves on to something else.
Numbers do not lie.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Math, not welcome here. Point proven again that once math is introduced to a debate on this forum the debate moves on to something else.
Numbers do not lie.

Which is why you haven't been able to quote one economist in 2012 saying the CBO report on the stimulus working (via measurable jobs and GDP data) was false.

Post one. Just one.

I've posted the following economists that say the stimulus worked, with their supporting data via published studies.

Feyrer and Sacerdote.
Chodorow-Reich, Feiveson, Liscow, and Woolston.
Wilson.
Congressional Budget Office.
Council of Economic Advisors.
Zandi and Blinder.
Oh and Reis.

Where are all those economists saying the stimulus was a massive failure again? Can you name one?