Browns are hitting this draft out of the park

[Antitrust32]

Vick was so pathetic.. throwing into triple coverage, staring down recievers.. the birds let cleveland hang around. Our defense was great.. the only player on the field worse than Vick on Saturday? Weeden.

Vick keeps it up and we are a 5 win team.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Vick was so pathetic.. throwing into triple coverage, staring down recievers.. the birds let cleveland hang around. Our defense was great.. the only player on the field worse than Vick on Saturday? Weeden.

Vick keeps it up and we are a 5 win team.

The Browns defense is A LOT better than people think.

However, they might start to wear down if the offense consistently turns the ball over and can't stay on the field for more than 3 plays at a time.

They are also going to lose the star corner Haden to suspension.

Vick and the Eagles offense will be fine.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

The Browns defense is A LOT better than people think.

However, they might start to wear down if the offense consistently turns the ball over and can't stay on the field for more than 3 plays at a time.

They are also going to lose the star corner Haden to suspension.

Vick and the Eagles offense will be fine.

browns have a very good pass defense. Shady McCoy ran all over them though. and with that fact... andy reid calls 56 pass plays against a pass defense that is better than our pass offense.

Vick has nowhere to go but up. even getting injured would be better than last weeks display.

[Calzone Lord]

McCoy didn't really run all over them -- he had one possession in the 4th quarter where he had 47 yards rushing that led to a missed field goal -- and he had one 22 yard run in the second quarter.

He also lost a fumble running with the ball -- and he was targeted 9 times in the passing game, which resulted in just 6 catches for 26 yards.

I thought it was a great performance by the Browns D.

They forced Shady to lose a fumble, kept him out of the endzone, made him ineffective in the passing game, all while keeping the emphasis on forcing Vick to stay in the pocket and beat them throwing from the pocket.

The Browns offense was so dreadful and couldn't stay on the field -- that it allowed the Eagles to run 88 offensive plays. Any NFL offense that runs 88 plays is going to wear a defense down in the 4th quarter.

[Antitrust32]

McCoy averaged 5.5 yards a carry and had about 30 rushing yards called back on holding penalties...

We could have ran up the score using the screen pass.. but vick locks on his first option and fails to progress through reads.. he just starts getting happy feet.

56 passes was just disgusting, especially since Reid and Morningweg could see how much Vick was struggling.

When the receivers werent open.. he could have dumped it off to shady or a TE all day long... he just seems to have a mental block on making it that far in his reads.

He will get better though. But can i trust Andy Reid to get better at calling running plays? after 13 years and 1 game, its hard to trust improvement in that area.

Browns do have a good D, especially pass... but I disagree that Shady didnt have a field day on them. though getting him to fumble is a big deal as he just doesnt cough it up very much.

Haden is the man, maybe a top 3 corner in this league. Another corner who should have a very good year is DRC for the eagles.

[AlreadyHome]

Browns still suck , even though they have good players.

[Calzone Lord]

They have a very good defense and the consensus best Left Tackle in football.

Weeden had 4 INT's, 2 fumbles, and got sacked by an American Flag in the pre-game warm-up ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vREi35khV0 ) and they only lost to Philly by 1.

They are 1 good QB away from being a contender.