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Old 09-11-2012, 06:23 PM
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It seemed like lately you were perhaps fatigued of this and going through the motions, instead of being anally disciplined like usual.

And by anally disciplined, I am not referring to your experience with MTConverse.

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Old 09-11-2012, 07:27 PM
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I was starting to get worn down between all of the handicapping, betting, figure making, working for the newspaper for Masters and PID Mile Week, and doing some other crazy track diagram task.

However, I don't really regret taking that horse.

Serling has a saying "bad horses win bad races" that I always thought was a little too generic ... but this race was the ultimate example of that.

I did tell you over the phone a week or two ago how the majority of the very few horses that have stepped up and surprised me in this challenge have been horses switching from journeyman riders to 7lbs bugs.

Not only do the bug riders get a weight break -- but the vet jocks tend to mail it in a bit on these type of horses in cheaper races.

Some of these 7lbs bugs will ride these horses with Calvin Borel in the Kentucky Derby like desperation. This bum winner today, the horse looked like he had no chance on the turn, and he bravely drove him through a narrow opening and came up the rail to win a 3-way photo.
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:28 PM
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The fact I am incredibly saddened by this speaks volumes to my lack of life.

Good effort, Doug.
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:40 PM
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The fact I am incredibly saddened by this speaks volumes to my lack of life.

Good effort, Doug.
Thanks.

One of the bums just finished 7th beaten 52 lengths at 28/1.

At least it wasn't the shortest price one of the day that knocked me out.

5/1 was the shortest price of any horse during this entire challenge.
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:37 PM
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The fact I am incredibly saddened by this speaks volumes to my lack of life.

Good effort, Doug.
My feelings exactly. An amazing accomplishment.

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Old 09-11-2012, 08:46 PM
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Damn disappointed that you didn't make it Doug. Helluva effort.
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Very impressive run, and probably still a world record. Thanks for doing this.
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Old 09-12-2012, 05:06 AM
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Doug.. (and ranger),

Great try. It was a fascinating endeavor and fun to watch. And ranger -- tabbing the dollar loss was an amazing sidebar. What can be gleaned from the exercise with 479 out of 480 hopeless looking horses losing? There must be common denominators... a tick list that eliminates longshots with no chance whatsoever from those with a shot...
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Doug,
Great job and thread, it was fun to follow.
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Old 09-12-2012, 02:49 PM
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What can be gleaned from the exercise with 479 out of 480 hopeless looking horses losing? There must be common denominators... a tick list that eliminates longshots with no chance whatsoever from those with a shot...
Thanks Steve.

Like with anything else in wagering and investment -- it boils down to value.

You never know what price a horse will go off at until betting has closed in pari-mutual wagering. In betting exchanges it is much more simple, because you're locked in at your price when you bet on or bet against a horse.

Amazingly, some of these horses went off at relatively insanely low odds. The lowest went off at 5.4-to-1 odds -- but I think two or three others also went off at single digits. Quite a few of them went off at odds in the 11-to-1 to 20-to-1 odds range.

An interesting challenge would be one called 'pick 480 horses who look like longshots and are competitive'

Based on the two studies I did in this Contest folder -- my standout of the day won at 87.5% and my Bum List horses won at 0.21%

From now on, when I make a value line for a race I intend to bet, if a horse looks like a major standout I will assign it no higher than an 88% chance of winning. If it looks like a Bum -- I will assign it a 0.20% chance.

As always -- the odds you can get will dictate your decision.
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