The Dodgers/Red Sox Trade

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

apologies to Cole Hamels..
Fenway is a left handed hitters park. Lester is a lefty, do the math. Green Monster turns Right handed hitters homers into singles.

Hold on now. You are a Red Sox fan who thinks that Fenway park FAVORS left handed pitchers? Oh boy

Jon Lester in 2012
Home record (you know in Fenway)
3-8 with 6.60 era

Away record (you know everywhere other than Fenway)
5-2 with 2.99 era

Best left handed starting pitchers for the Boston Red Sox in the Fenway Park era
1. Lefty Grove
2. Bill Lee
3. Mel Parnell
4. Jon Lester
5. Bruce Hurst

Thats a 100 years and Bruce Hurst makes your list?
yeah Fenway is a haven for lefties...


And since you seemingly dont seem to understand how the park plays...pop flys at Fenway often turn into doubles which is far worse for pitchers than your theory (wrong by the way) that the Monster takes away HR and makes them singles.

[dalakhani]

There are a zillion other stats and you use number of earned runs as the metric?

You are right- Lester is as good or even close to as good as king Felix or Kershaw and its only the ballparks that are keeping him from being as dominant. What was I thinking?

The red sox, meanwhile, haven't been to the playoffs since 2009. He has lost his last 3 playoff starts. Meanwhile, from 2009-2011 he was 8-0 against Baltimore and 9-2 against Toronto while he was 6-6 against Tampa. Prior to his last start against the Yankees, he had a 6 plus era and a whip of 1.75 over his last seven starts vs. the yanks.

One more thing: from 2009 -2011 Lester had a better era at home than on the road. Look it up.

Yes, you are right again. Lester is right up there with Halliday.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

There are a zillion other stats and you use number of earned runs as the metric?

You are right- Lester is as good or even close to as good as king Felix or Kershaw and its only the ballparks that are keeping him from being as dominant. What was I thinking?

The red sox, meanwhile, haven't been to the playoffs since 2009. He has lost his last 3 playoff starts. Meanwhile, from 2009-2011 he was 8-0 against Baltimore and 9-2 against Toronto while he was 6-6 against Tampa. Prior to his last start against the Yankees, he had a 6 plus era and a whip of 1.75 over his last seven starts vs. the yanks.

One more thing: from 2009 -2011 Lester had a better era at home than on the road. Look it up.

Yes, you are right again. Lester is right up there with Halliday.

What are you smoking? You are complaining about earned run average and adjusted era, ignoring the WAR metric and using wins and losses?


Yeah the criteria for being a number 1 starter is being "as good" as Roy Halladay, Felix Hernandez and Clayton Kershaw? Right ballpark factors are complete bullshit and shouldnt be taken into consideration? Your inference that because the Red Sox have not made the playoffs since 2009 somehow Lester is to blame is ridiclous. The idea that he has not been a good playoff pitcher is of course not supported by the numbers. He started 6 playoff games and in 5 of the 6 pitched well. Yeah he lost his last 3 playoff starts but you fail to note that the Red Sox scored a grand total of 2 runs in those 3 games, 1 in two of them and got shutout in the other. I'm sure that Lester had something to do with that? You forgot to add that in 3 of his 6 playoff starts he allowed zero earned runs.

You ignore 4 years worth of top 5% production to bring up the last 7 games against the Yankees? Are all closers **** because they arent as good as Mariano Rivera?

By virtually every statistical measure that there is Lester is a extremely good starting pitcher. He has not been nearly as good this year but that doesnt mean that the previous years dont count.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

There are a zillion other stats and you use number of earned runs as the metric?

And when you get right down to it, run prevention is the basis by which pitchers are measured. Their chief role is to prevent the other team from scoring runs. So yeah ERA+ especially is a great measure to compare a pitcher other pitchers in the league.

[dalakhani]

When did I say he was a bad pitcher?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

When did I say he was a bad pitcher?

Where did I say that? You said he was a number 2 or 3 starter which is silly. I dont think that is worse than the idea that left handed ptchers have an advantage at Fenway Park like the delusional Red Sox fan believes though.

[dalakhani]

I guess it's more of a feel thing. You know what I mean? To me, he is like a baseball version of joe Johnson. The stats look good and he seems like a max guy but he just isn't.

[Alabama Stakes]

me either. he's a one way bastid whose terrible attitude of thinking his **** tastes like ice cream, makes him intolerable. Think about it, how many cancer survivors who have pitched as well as he has, are cared about less by the fans than Lester ? JD Drew was more popular.

remember a guy named Nomar ? Fan favorite, loved by all, quickest bat in the league. It was him, Arod, and Jeter. that was the debate. The red sox offered him an unbelievable contract...but noooo, he had to be greedy. Could have been a career red sox, hall of famer, number 5 retired, the works. Instead he goes to arizona, starts doing roids, his body can't handle all the extra muscle and his bat speed slows, he breaks down physically, when they dumped him there wasn't a tear shed by anyone. This guy was the most popular red sox since Freddie Lynn, but his greedy attitude was not worth him being here. Once he left, the sox won the World Series. addition by subtraction. Get rid of the cancer. he ends up marrying some lesbian and will never see the hall of fame.

[Cannon Shell]

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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

me either. he's a one way bastid whose terrible attitude of thinking his **** tastes like ice cream, makes him intolerable. Think about it, how many cancer survivors who have pitched as well as he has, are cared about less by the fans than Lester ? JD Drew was more popular.

remember a guy named Nomar ? Fan favorite, loved by all, quickest bat in the league. It was him, Arod, and Jeter. that was the debate. The red sox offered him an unbelievable contract...but noooo, he had to be greedy. Could have been a career red sox, hall of famer, number 5 retired, the works. Instead he goes to arizona, starts doing roids, his body can't handle all the extra muscle and his bat speed slows, he breaks down physically, when they dumped him there wasn't a tear shed by anyone. This guy was the most popular red sox since Freddie Lynn, but his greedy attitude was not worth him being here. Once he left, the sox won the World Series. addition by subtraction. Get rid of the cancer. he ends up marrying some lesbian and will never see the hall of fame.

Have you ever met Jon Lester? Do you have any actual personal experience with him? If not why would you care?

I suppose Ted Williams was a bad guy too and they didnt win a World Series when he was there because he was surly? I guess Steve Carlton was a bad pitcher because he wouldnt talk to anyone?

And in what alternate world did Nomar Garciaparra play in Arizona?

[Alabama Stakes]

arizona is where he started juicing before that SI cover.