12 shot dead at in Aurora, Colorado

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Danzig

violent crime is way down, lower than it's been in decades. and yeah, when people hear of things like this, the first thing they think of is defending themselves. after 9/11 gun sales went thru the roof-but there was no corresponding increase in crime.


"The last time the crime rate for serious crime – murder, rape, robbery, assault – fell to these levels, gasoline cost 29 cents a gallon and the average income for a working American was $5,807.




That was 1963.

In the past 20 years, for instance, the murder rate in the United States has dropped by almost half, from 9.8 per 100,000 people in 1991 to 5.0 in 2009. Meanwhile, robberies were down 10 percent in 2010 from the year before and 8 percent in 2009.


The declines are not just a blip, say criminologists. Rather, they are the result of a host of changes that have fundamentally reversed the high-crime trends of the 1980s. And these changes have taken hold to such a degree that the drop in crime continued despite the recent recession.

Because the pattern "transcends cities and US regions, we can safely say crime is down," says James Alan Fox, a criminologist at Northeastern University in Boston. "We are indeed a safer nation than 20 years ago."


and here's this, from an article about gun violence:

http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/28/gu...gun-ownership/


Despite increases in gun sales, gun crimes continued to decrease in the United States for the fourth straight year in 2010, according to the FBI.

The FBI recently released its Crime in The United States statistics for 2010. Overall, murders in the U.S. have decreased steadily since 2006, dropping from 15,087 to 12,996. Firearms murders — which made up 67 percent of all murders in the U.S. in 2010 — have followed this trend, decreasing by 14 percent.

At the same time that firearms murders were dropping, gun sales were surging. In 2009, FBI background checks for guns increased by 30 percent over the previous year, while firearms sales in large retail outlets increased by almost 40 percent. The number of applications for concealed carry permits jumped across the country as well.


and note points in that article such as this:


Broken down by firearms murder rate per 100,000 people, the District of Columbia is number one, with 16 firearms murders per 100,000 people in the District.

D.C. also topped the list of firearm robberies per 100,000 people with 255.98.

Yet D.C. arguably has the tightest gun laws in the country. Although an outright ban on handguns was struck down by the Supreme Court in 2008, legislators ensured the new regulations for obtaining a registered handgun would be anything but easy.


or


The top three states for gun murders in 2010 were, in order, California, Texas and New York. While Texas has lax gun control laws, California and New York are among the strictest gun-control states in the country.

SO guns don't kill people, laws do!!!

I like it.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

SO guns don't kill people, laws do!!!

I like it.

ha!!

just found it interesting that people want to tear their shirts, pull out their hair and scream about the number of guns and gun owners whenever a lone nut goes bonkers.
and yet.....more guns than ever, and the rates are declining...how can this be??? you'd think it would be the opposite, judging by the clamoring.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Danzig

ha!!

just found it interesting that people want to tear their shirts, pull out their hair and scream about the number of guns and gun owners whenever a lone nut goes bonkers.
and yet.....more guns than ever, and the rates are declining...how can this be??? you'd think it would be the opposite, judging by the clamoring.

Colbert had some funny stuff on Romney last nite...His guest was guy named Dan Gross of The Brady Campaign...Gave his website to sign a petition http://www.wearebetterthanthis.org/
Interesting interview, of course the subject was gun control...
If you have time check out the show for some laughs..
http://www.colbertnation.com/

[Riot]

No private American citizens "need" access to assault rifles and 100-shot ammo cannisters. Ban them.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

No private American citizens "need" access to assault rifles and 100-shot ammo cannisters. Ban them.

Were it not for the 100 shot magazine he used way more people would be dead or wounded. It jammed because of the large mag, had he been changing the gun doesn't jam. While I agree about the huge magazine, in this case it (and the common malfunction of such a thing) helped a bit.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Were it not for the 100 shot magazine he used way more people would be dead or wounded. It jammed because of the large mag, had he been changing the gun doesn't jam. While I agree about the huge magazine, in this case it (and the common malfunction of such a thing) helped a bit.

That's interesting logic in support of 100 shot clips, you have to admit

[Danzig]

people tend to focus on assault weapons and large magazines...prove to me that the death count would be lower if he'd had more guns, with less ammo per gun.
besides, if you bought a john wayne .30-.30., you never miss and it never, ever needs re-loading.
at any rate, had he gone in there with several semi-autos, we'd be hearing about whatever calibre and magazine was involved there too. i mean, who needs a 12 gauge, a bird is just as dead with a 20 gauge. or a .410 for that matter. or hey, just go down to a .22 plinkster...no, wait, those are bad too. one of those almost killed reagan and brady.

but hey, if everyone is chattering about guns, no one is chattering about jobs, banking, finance, war, unemployment, and housing for starters.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by GBBob

That's interesting logic in support of 100 shot clips, you have to admit

I am against such magazines, they serve no logical purpose. It was only an observation of the result of this usage.