Voter ID laws: Everyone has an ID, right? Nope

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Yes that's it... taking pride in my country and appreciating the efforts of our elected representatives by insuring legitimate voter roles = racism

You've got some nerve - but I wouldn't expect anything less out of you.

BTW, Obama's DOJ agreed with Rick Scott, so you can check one of the largest swing states off your list of potential vote stealing wins

Put your money where your silly allegations are - I expect nothing less from you. You said, "how many illegitimate inhabitants of this country will purposefully and willingly attempt to sway the election via fraud,".

How many? Give us some figures? Prove your allegation. It's absurd on it's face. This isn't Free Republic here.

It's your foot. If the shoe fits, wear it. I'm sure you're worried about all those Germans and Canadians "fixing the election". Face it - the proven facts are that there is little to no voter fraud.

Oh, and Obama's DOJ did not agree with Rick Scott that there is massive voter fraud at all. Compliance with access to a data base is not agreeing, and DOJ initially fought FL having access as they were afraid FL would misuse the info. I'm sure you know that before you misstated.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

Put your money where your silly allegations are - I expect nothing less from you. You said, "how many illegitimate inhabitants of this country will purposefully and willingly attempt to sway the election via fraud,".

How many? Give us some figures? Prove your allegation. It's absurd on it's face. This isn't Free Republic here.

It's your foot. If the shoe fits, wear it. I'm sure you're worried about all those Germans and Canadians "fixing the election". Face it - the proven facts are that there is little to no voter fraud.

Oh, and Obama's DOJ did not agree with Rick Scott that there is massive voter fraud at all. Compliance with access to a data base is not agreeing, and DOJ initially fought FL having access as they were afraid FL would misuse the info. I'm sure you know that before you misstated.

Btw, where's your buddy coach panties lately, did you drive him away?

[phystech]

I need to cash a check - can I do that without a photo ID?

I want to purchase something with a credit card - can I do that without ID?

I want want to own a racehorse - can I do that without being fingerprinted and issued a photo ID?

I want drive a car - can I do that without a photo ID?

I want to travel to Myrtle Beach - can I pass through security without a photo ID?

I want to rent a car, can I do that with out a photo ID?

I want to rent a house in Myrtle Beach, can I do that without ID?

[bigrun]

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Originally Posted by phystech

I need to cash a check - can I do that without a photo ID? 'They' don't have checkbooks

I want to purchase something with a credit card - can I do that without ID?
they don't have credit cards.
I want want to own a racehorse - can I do that without being fingerprinted and issued a photo ID? they don't buy horses

I want drive a car - can I do that without a photo ID?they have a driver license

I want to travel to Myrtle Beach - can I pass through security without a photo ID? they don't go to Myrtle Beach

I want to rent a car, can I do that with out a photo ID?they don't rent cars

I want to rent a house in Myrtle Beach, can I do that without ID?see above..

Answers in red...

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by phystech

I need to cash a check - can I do that without a photo ID?

I want to purchase something with a credit card - can I do that without ID?

I want want to own a racehorse - can I do that without being fingerprinted and issued a photo ID?

I want drive a car - can I do that without a photo ID?

I want to travel to Myrtle Beach - can I pass through security without a photo ID?

I want to rent a car, can I do that with out a photo ID?

I want to rent a house in Myrtle Beach, can I do that without ID?

Please use a pie chart next time

[Riot]

Originally Posted by phystech

I need to cash a check - can I do that without a photo ID?

I want to purchase something with a credit card - can I do that without ID?

I want want to own a racehorse - can I do that without being fingerprinted and issued a photo ID?

I want drive a car - can I do that without a photo ID?

I want to travel to Myrtle Beach - can I pass through security without a photo ID?

I want to rent a car, can I do that with out a photo ID?

I want to rent a house in Myrtle Beach, can I do that without ID?

So what? None of that matters. The above are all choices. Voting is a Constitutional right, having nothing at all to do with the ability to do any of the above.

Citizens are entitled to vote whether or not they choose to drive, travel, rent a car or house, buy a horse.

Citizens are entitled to vote even if they are poor and can't afford a car, and don't have a drivers license; even if they are 80 in a nursing home and don't travel out to shop or take the bus, or cash checks, and don't have a bank.

We need to make voting more accessible and easier for those people. Not more difficult simply because they don't fit some imaged middle- or upper-class lifestyle paradigm. There are no class discriminations in the Constitution for Voting Rights. Every citizen is equal: even the poor meth addict can vote.

Oh, yeah - and they tend to vote Democratic.

The courts have determined that several of these voting ID bills are essentially unfair poll taxes on certain, targeted segments of American citizens. That's why they are being thrown out. And besides, as repeatedly proven, "voter fraud" is a false meme that simply doesn't factually exist in any discernable volume whatsoever.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cardus

On my planet, Riot, it is 2012 and NO ONE has a problem getting an ID card to confirm identity and residency.

But yet in real life, many people, an estimated 5 million American citizens, do. They don't live within 100 miles of a DMV, they don't have transportation, they are elderly and don't have a birth certificate (yet have been voting for 50 years at the same precinct), they are so poor they don't have money to get on a bus and take a day off work to go to a DMV and get an ID.

There is no voter fraud. It's virtually non-existent. And the voter fraud that is found cannot be prevented by a photo ID.

Restrictive photo ID voting laws are simply an ALEC-generated Republican construct to attempt to prevent voters that often vote Democratic from voting. And the federal courts are agreeing.

I will not get into details, but it is a mortal shame that the person most responsible with upholding our country's "laws" -- political constructs that guide, in part, how we live -- refuses to do so when it comes to confirming a person's legal ability to vote.

That would be the Supreme Court and our judicial system. Not a president. Not a Congress. And the federal courts are throwing out restrictive GOP voter ID laws as unconstitutional right and left.

Every state in the Union already has laws determining eligibility to vote. Restricting those further is being found overwhelmingly unconstitutional. Period.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Riot

There is no voter fraud. It's virtually non-existent. And the voter fraud that is found cannot be prevented by a photo ID.





And the federal courts are throwing out restrictive GOP voter ID laws as unconstitutional right and left.

Is there none, or some but virtually none? You contradict yourself so ofter it is hard to keep up. You don't know anything for fact - you simply regurgitate the same old ACORN spew over and over.



Oh, and your last sentence is an outright lie.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Is there none, or some but virtually none? You contradict yourself so ofter it is hard to keep up. You don't know anything for fact - you simply regurgitate the same old ACORN spew over and over.

This has nothing to do with ACORN, Mr. Conspiracy Theorist Three studies - including a massive one by Bush DOJ - has put incidence of documented voter fraud at 0.0002, 0.0003, or 0.0004% depending upon the study.

Oh, and your last sentence is an outright lie.

Nope. Sorry. You need to read a newspaper now and then. Judges are indeed throwing out nonsensical voter ID laws as unconstitutional.

[Danzig]

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/...ete_idiot.html


Republicans don't know precisely how much voter fraud actually occurs -- but then, neither does anyone else. However, voter fraud occurs more frequently than progressives would have us believe, as was ably demonstrated by Hans A. von Spakovsky in an August National Review article:



"The claim that there is no voter fraud in the U.S. is patently ridiculous, given our rich and unfortunate history of it. As the U.S. Supreme Court said when it upheld Indiana's photo-ID law in 2008, "Flagrant examples of such fraud . . . have been documented throughout this Nation's history by respected historians and journalists." The liberal groups that fought Indiana's law didn't have much luck with liberal justice John Paul Stevens, who wrote the 6-3 decision. Before being named to the Supreme Court, Justice Stevens practiced law in Chicago, a hotbed of electoral malfeasance."




Requiring photo IDs to vote is better than nothing and may help at the margins, but it isn't going to stop voter fraud. Would poll workers have photos of all registrants on hand to match against the photos presented by voters? (A better solution lies elsewhere.)

The left-wing quotes above don't even rise to the level of speculation; they're part of a deliberate concerted effort to deceive -- a propaganda campaign. Alleging that voter fraud doesn't exist is a straw man designed to divert attention away from other more pressing election problems. Alleging that an undetectable fraud doesn't exist draws attention away from the frauds that can be detected, but aren't. Alleging that voter fraud doesn't exist whitewashes America's voter registration mess.

Progressives allege that new voter ID requirements are meant to suppress turnout, especially of "the wrong kind of people," as the Doonesbury cartoon puts it. But the progressives' resistance to even the most basic safeguards is an attempt to keep elections open to theft. Progressives don't care about the integrity of elections; they just want to win, by whatever means necessary.