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Old 07-13-2012, 03:30 PM
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Krugman is liberal scumbag, everyone knows that...
yeah, i can't believe graham said it's american to avoid paying taxes. what bs. and i'm not happy that romney says he will try to undo the bank regs if he gets in. the softening of regulations is what lead us to the bank bubble..when it burst, it took insurance companies, banks, auto and housing all down with it. so many affected because of rampant speculation and trades run wild.
and look at jp morgan, the news from them keeps getting worse. absolutely ridiculous.
i also donl't like romney espousing building up defense, and the budget that would grow with it. it's already too big.




'... it turned out that modern finance was laying the foundation for a severe economic crisis whose fallout continues to afflict millions of Americans, and that taxpayers had to bail out many of those supposedly brilliant bankers to prevent an even worse crisis. So at least some members of the top 0.01 percent are best viewed as job destroyers rather than job creators.

Did I mention that those bailed-out bankers are now overwhelmingly backing Mr. Romney, who promises to reverse the mild financial reforms introduced after the crisis?

To be sure, many and probably most of the rich do, in fact, contribute positively to the economy. However, they also receive large monetary rewards. Yet somehow $20 million-plus in annual income isn’t enough. They want to be revered, too, and given special treatment in the form of low taxes. And that is more than they deserve. After all, the “common person” also makes a positive contribution to the economy. Why single out the rich for extra praise and perks?

What about the argument that we must keep taxes on the rich low lest we remove their incentive to create wealth? The answer is that we have a lot of historical evidence, going all the way back to the 1920s, on the effects of tax increases on the rich, and none of it supports the view that the kinds of tax-rate changes for the rich currently on the table — President Obama’s proposal for a modest rise, Mr. Romney’s call for further cuts — would have any major effect on incentives. Remember when all the usual suspects claimed that the economy would crash when Bill Clinton raised taxes in 1993?'
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:32 PM
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yeah, i can't believe graham said it's american to avoid paying taxes. what bs. and i'm not happy that romney says he will try to undo the bank regs if he gets in. the softening of regulations is what lead us to the bank bubble..when it burst, it took insurance companies, banks, auto and housing all down with it. so many affected because of rampant speculation and trades run wild.
and look at jp morgan, the news from them keeps getting worse. absolutely ridiculous.
i also donl't like romney espousing building up defense, and the budget that would grow with it. it's already too big.
Why do you think they put all the avoidance clauses in there?
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:52 PM
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Why do you think they put all the avoidance clauses in there?
been saying for some time that we need tax reform. but expecting congress to fix things would be akin to hiring wolves to guard the sheep.
all we need know comes from that study that came out a few months ago that showed that members of the govt are the ones who have profited during the downturn.
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:55 PM
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been saying for some time that we need tax reform. but expecting congress to fix things would be akin to hiring wolves to guard the sheep.
all we need know comes from that study that came out a few months ago that showed that members of the govt are the ones who have profited during the downturn.
Reformation of the tax code has to come first. Simple and clear that doesn't let so many completely off the hook. It is worth paying something to live here.
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:57 PM
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Reformation of the tax code has to come first. Simple and clear that doesn't let so many completely off the hook. It is worth paying something to live here.
Obama is not renewing the Bush tax gift for income over $250,000. That is a loophole for the wealthy. Do you approve of closing it, or not?
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Old 07-13-2012, 03:58 PM
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Obama is not renewing the Bush tax gift for income over $250,000. That is a loophole for the wealthy. Do you approve of closing it, or not?
250K is not wealthy. Make it an even buck and I am on board.
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Old 07-13-2012, 04:02 PM
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250K is not wealthy. Make it an even buck and I am on board.
People who make $250,000 get the same tax breaks on their income as everyone else who makes less. The Dems want to renew that, the Republicans want to obstruct and raise those taxes.

We are discussing the extra tax break on income over $250,000. Do you think that gift, loophole, should continue, or be closed?

Reminder: we have a big debt, and that loophole has caused about 1/3 of it.
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Old 07-13-2012, 05:01 PM
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250K is not wealthy. Make it an even buck and I am on board.
no? 250k isn't gates/buffett wealthy, but it's wealthy nonetheless. compare it to the average wage in this country, or the median if you wish. besides, they don't pay that higher amount on the whole 250k. i'd love to have that problem....working on it!
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