Entire ACA upheld by Supreme Court

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[Riot]

The Republican "Replacement" Health Care plan is "Obamacare", and has been since the Republicans in the House and Senate first introduced "Obamacare" as GOP legislation in 1993. The Republicans have nothing to "replace" with, as the Dems already passed their GOP "It's replacement for Hillarycare" health care plan.

One of the biggest differences between "Romneycare" (Heritage Foundation Individual Mandate Plan) and "Obamacare" is that Romneycare pays for abortions. Obamacare does not.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

The Republican "Replacement" Health Care plan is "Obamacare", and has been since the Republicans in the House and Senate first introduced "Obamacare" as GOP legislation in 1993. The Republicans have nothing to "replace" with, as the Dems already passed their GOP "It's replacement for Hillarycare" health care plan.

One of the biggest differences between "Romneycare" (Heritage Foundation Individual Mandate Plan) and "Obamacare" is that Romneycare pays for abortions. Obamacare does not.

What!...wait...you must have that backwards......I demand an investigation..

[Rileyoriley]

The "Romneycare" abortions was added by the current governor of Mass.(Obama's buddy Deval) and the democratic legislature, not Romney. There were many additional mandates added later which is why everyone in Mass. must have the "cadillac" plan to qualify.

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

The "Romneycare" abortions was added by the current governor of Mass.(Obama's buddy Deval) and the democratic legislature, not Romney. There were many additional mandates added later which is why everyone in Mass. must have the "cadillac" plan to qualify.

Ma'am..if you're gonna speak truth around theses parts, it's best if you just move along.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GPK

Ma'am..if you're gonna speak truth around theses parts, it's best if you just move along.

Actually, she just needs to say where she heard that, before it's called "truth"

[Riot]

This is interesting ... Romneycare has covered abortion since it's inception, and in the first two years of it's existence, abortion rates lowered due to better health care access.

Cool. Less abortion = better, IMO

This is from PoliticsDaily, two years ago, when the ACA was first being discussed:

http://www.politicsdaily.com/2010/03...uce-abortions/

study published in the latest New England Journal of Medicine shows that abortion rates declined during the first two years that Massachusetts implemented a near-universal health coverage program much like the nationwide plan currently before Congress.

The research, which was released Wednesday, comes as the question of abortion is emerging as a pivotal factor in the Capitol Hill debate on overhauling health care. A cadre of anti-abortion House Democrats who could be critical to the bill's passage say provisions on abortion financing in the Senate bill are too weak.

That argument has come under sharp criticism from health care experts and ethicists in recent days. A growing number of Catholic leaders and organizations have also split with those Democratic opponents and the Catholic hierarchy, saying they believe the Senate bill does not allow for taxpayer money to underwrite abortions and therefore is worthy of support.

The latest to break with the bishops and support the bill is a coalition of Catholic nuns who head 60 religious orders representing tens of thousands of sisters, many of whom are directly involved in providing health care. A letter from the organization, a social justice association called NETWORK, was sent to all members of Congress on Wednesday and urges House members "to cast a life-affirming 'yes' vote when the Senate health care bill...comes to the floor of the House for a vote."

The sisters are emphatic in rejecting "false claims" that the Senate bill would finance abortion, and they -- like many others -- argue that enacting health care reform would save lives and support families.

The study on abortion rates released Wednesday could bolster that argument. It shows that the number of abortions in Massachusetts declined by 1.5 percent during the first two years of the new health care program (2007-2009) and the decline was 7.4 percent among teenagers -- even though the percentage of non-elderly people receiving coverage went up nearly 6 percent.

The study also points out that the abortion decrease occurred "despite public and private funding of abortion that is substantially more liberal than the provisions of the federal legislation currently under consideration by Congress." Massachusetts is one of 17 states where the state government finances abortions under Medicaid that the federal government cannot pay for.

The research project originated with Catholic Democrats, a pro-life organization affiliated with the Democratic Party, and was conducted by its president, Dr. Patrick Whelan, who serves on the pediatric faculty at Harvard Medical School and is a pediatric specialist at Massachusetts General Hospital for Children in Boston. Whelan also wrote the article for the New England Journal of Medicine, which reviewed it before publication.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by GPK

Ma'am..if you're gonna speak truth around theses parts, it's best if you just move along.

Actually I stand corrected. Riot is right that it was in the original law. Romney vetoed it and the democratic legislature overrode his veto. He vetoed 8 mandates but the legislature overrode every one of them. It's also important to note that the Mass law was only 70 pages long and more importantly, Romney balanced the state budget BEFORE introducing the health care bill.
And no, I'm not going to provide links, pie charts, graphs or anything else. I happen to think the posters here are not as stupid as some believe and are quite capable of looking up info if they are interested and making up their own minds.
Romney was a good governor of this state. How many people know that he never accepted the governor's salary when he was governor?

[GPK]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Actually I stand corrected. Riot is right that it was in the original law. Romney vetoed it and the democratic legislature overrode his veto. He vetoed 8 mandates but the legislature overrode every one of them. It's also important to note that the Mass law was only 70 pages long and more importantly, Romney balanced the state budget BEFORE introducing the health care bill.
And no, I'm not going to provide links, pie charts, graphs or anything else. I happen to think the posters here are not as stupid as some believe and are quite capable of looking up info if they are interested and making up their own minds.
Romney was a good governor of this state. How many people know that he never accepted the governor's salary when he was governor?

Right or wrong, who cares?? I was just trying to rile sh*t up.

Slow night.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Actually I stand corrected. Riot is right that it was in the original law. Romney vetoed it and the democratic legislature overrode his veto. He vetoed 8 mandates but the legislature overrode every one of them. It's also important to note that the Mass law was only 70 pages long and more importantly, Romney balanced the state budget BEFORE introducing the health care bill.
And no, I'm not going to provide links, pie charts, graphs or anything else. I happen to think the posters here are not as stupid as some believe and are quite capable of looking up info if they are interested and making up their own minds.
Romney was a good governor of this state. How many people know that he never accepted the governor's salary when he was governor?

Too bad Romney can't run on his excellent signature legislative achievement with the current GOP makeup His policies as Gov. of Mass. were very "typical Republican", for what a Republican used to be. It's sad to see him pretend to be something he isn't, just to please the dominant wingnuts in the current version of "Republicanism".

[geeker2]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

Actually I stand corrected. Riot is right that it was in the original law. Romney vetoed it and the democratic legislature overrode his veto. He vetoed 8 mandates but the legislature overrode every one of them. It's also important to note that the Mass law was only 70 pages long and more importantly, Romney balanced the state budget BEFORE introducing the health care bill.
And no, I'm not going to provide links, pie charts, graphs or anything else. I happen to think the posters here are not as stupid as some believe and are quite capable of looking up info if they are interested and making up their own minds.
Romney was a good governor of this state. How many people know that he never accepted the governor's salary when he was governor?

Deb next time please include a pie chart

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

The "Romneycare" abortions was added by the current governor of Mass.(Obama's buddy Deval) and the democratic legislature, not Romney. There were many additional mandates added later which is why everyone in Mass. must have the "cadillac" plan to qualify.

Strange. Not according to Politifact (below), which says abortion has been covered since day one of the bill being signed into law by Romney.

Do you have any link for the claim you make about abortion not being covered, but was added later by Deval?

(which is rather a moot point, however, as it still makes it true that Romneycare covers abortions, and Obamacare does not)

But because of a 1981 Supreme Judicial Court ruling in Massachusetts, the cost of abortions must be included in publicly subsidized plans. Most private insurance plans in the U.S. include abortion coverage, and the state-subsidized plans in Massachusetts do, too. That includes coverage for Massachusetts residents enrolled in Medicaid.