Mitt Romney sold a drugged horse

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's how and why the seller got caught drugging the horse

How about this situation?

A race horse owner has a $100,000 allowance/grade 3 level horse. It has developed a coffin joint abnormality that had made it chronically, worsening lame (cannot be "fixed). That lameness has decreased it's performance, caused tendon problems in the other front leg due to the horse trying to avoid the sore foot. It has required regular steroid injections into the joint to keep the horse sound, but it's performance has deteriorated as expected with that problem, and it hasn't been able to run for a year. It's clear the horse has ringbone in the lower coffin joint. The horse isn't insured for loss of use due to ringbone. As the ringbone worsens, the horse will quickly be a pasture ornament. That's the only option for worsening, severe low ringbone.

Should that horse be sold privately as a $125,000 allowance/Grade 3 level horse, with the seller actively denying there are any known factors limiting it's performance at that level? The seller literally calls the horse, "the soundest horse in the barn". Even when the seller's agent is asked specifically about specific problems, the agent/trainer lies to the buyer.

What about the owner who uses the trainer as their legal selling agent. The trainer dopes the horse up with four painkillers to make it sound for the sale. And sells the horse for $20,000 more than they originally purchased the horse for.

Is the owner legally liable when the fraud is discovered?

What about the veterinarian doing the local prepurchase exam? (drawing blood and rads) Referred by the seller? The vet tells the buyer that the radiographic ringbone abnormalities are "cosmetic only and of no consequence to the intended use" (a clear lie). When the positive drug tests come back, the veterinarian calls, not the purchaser, but the owner via the owner's agent (trainer) to let them know the bad result. Vet denies giving 2 of the painkillers found. Trainer denies giving two of the painkillers found.

Should the owner continue using that trainer?

The new owner left the horse with the original trainer. The horse continues to move funny, be lame off and on, and cannot be used at the allowance level - or any level. The trainer blames the gallop riders of the horse for making the horse "move funny" to the owners eye.

The owner hires another vet to obtain all the horses documented medical history, and discovers everything said about the horse they purchased was a lie.

Once you buy something it is yours and you deal with it. If you didnt do your homework or research correctly that is your problem. Falls under the personal responsibility theory the courts are very diligently removing.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Once you buy something it is yours and you deal with it. If you didnt do your homework or research correctly that is your problem. Falls under the personal responsibility theory the courts are very diligently removing.

But then of course she couldn't take 6 pages of posts to smear a guy who most likely had no idea whatsoever that he even owned the friggin horse in the first place, much less connived a scheme with a vet to purposely unload damaged goods.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

But then of course she couldn't take 6 pages of posts to smear a guy who most likely had no idea whatsoever that he even owned the friggin horse in the first place, much less connived a scheme with a vet to purposely unload damaged goods.

Mitt talks to Eberling regularly. He pays the bills. Romneys have a house on the California ranch Eberling works off of, and stay there regularly (they don't ride in public). Romney is the mortgage-holder on the ranch named in the complaint. Romney loaned Eberling the money to get the ranch going. Romney knows exactly what horses they own, per Ann's deposition.

The facts stand: A horse owned by Ann Romney was unsound, but doped sound, and sold for a profit. Mitt Romney is an owner in the horse business the family owns. Mitt takes the profit, and the deductions, on his published income tax form.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

But then of course she couldn't take 6 pages of posts to smear a guy who most likely had no idea whatsoever that he even owned the friggin horse in the first place, much less connived a scheme with a vet to purposely unload damaged goods.

to make $20K

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Once you buy something it is yours and you deal with it. If you didnt do your homework or research correctly that is your problem. Falls under the personal responsibility theory the courts are very diligently removing.

In the troll's world there is no such thing as responsibility for what you purchase. If you purchase a home and take a mortgage you cannot afford, don't worry, it is those greedy banks fault for tricking you into taking a mortgage you cannot afford. You are not responsible for knowing whether or not you could afford that mortgage when you signed on the dotted line.

If you don't want to work but want healthcare, don't worry, you don't have responsibility for helping yourself, the rich will pay for it.

If you buy a horse from a Presidential candidate, don't bother getting the horse vetted, if it doesn't work out for you, just blame that greedy Presidential candidate for dumping bad goods on you. You don't need to take any responsibility for having checked out whether you made a wise purchase.

Welcome to the Obama world, the land of no responsibility.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

In the troll's world there is no such thing as responsibility for what you purchase. If you purchase a home and take a mortgage you cannot afford, don't worry, it is those greedy banks fault for tricking you into taking a mortgage you cannot afford. You are not responsible for knowing whether or not you could afford that mortgage when you signed on the dotted line.

If you don't want to work but want healthcare, don't worry, you don't have responsibility for helping yourself, the rich will pay for it.

If you buy a horse from a Presidential candidate, don't bother getting the horse vetted, if it doesn't work out for you, just blame that greedy Presidential candidate for dumping bad goods on you. You don't need to take any responsibility for having checked out whether you made a wise purchase.

Welcome to the Obama world, the land of no responsibility.

Bad day for the Obama-haters in their fantasyland of imagined reality, huh

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

Bad day for the Obama-haters in their fantasyland of imagined reality, huh

No, it is a bad day for the prospects of the future of the United States of America you dope.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

No, it is a bad day for the prospects of the future of the United States of America you dope.

It doesn't look like I'm the dope. 40 million new people will have health insurance, terrible abuse and bankruptcy due to the private healthcare system have been majorly reformed, those that have insurance benefit from new consumer protections and decreased costs, and the cost of healthcare in the United States will decrease from our massive 17% of GDP, to hopefully down to the 9% every other first world country pays.

That's a good thing. And if only Newt Gingrich had bothered to get this Republican plan passed in 1993, when the Republicans first introduced it, we wouldn't be having this attack on the Kenyan Muslim Communist who finally got it done, now.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

It doesn't look like I'm the dope. 40 million new people will have health insurance, terrible abuse and bankruptcy due to the private healthcare system have been majorly reformed, those that have insurance benefit from new consumer protections and decreased costs, and the cost of healthcare in the United States will decrease from our massive 17% of GDP, to hopefully down to the 9% every other first world country pays.

That's a good thing. And if only Newt Gingrich had bothered to get this Republican plan passed in 1993, when the Republicans first introduced it, we wouldn't be having this attack on the Kenyan Muslim Communist who finally got it done, now.

The cost of healthcare will go down, you just go for the Obama BS hook line and sinker. Amazing.

Thank god the American people are smarter than you and will be sweeping your agenda and deity out the door in a few months.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

The cost of healthcare will go down, you just go for the Obama BS hook line and sinker. Amazing.

Thank god the American people are smarter than you and will be sweeping your agenda and deity out the door in a few months.

Maybe get some psychological help for your anger and hate?

Many of us here are tired of dealing with your rude sh.i.t. temper tantrums.