Mitt Romney sold a drugged horse

[Riot]

Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

When you combine Xylazine or detomidine or romifidine with butorphenol, you get nice pain control and sedation. With no ataxia (stumbling, tripping, falling over.. how would you know...this does explain a few things..

I know because I have the DEA license for dispensing those drugs, I know what drugs we use together, and why, and what their effects are.

Your bu.lls.h.ait attempt to imply I'm a cheater is just that - ignorant bull.shi.at.

And there's nothing more pathetic than watching some of you, those who pretend hate those evil cheating race trainers that take your gambling money, try and justify the exact same fraud in Mitt Romney's world.

This has nothing to do with politics. This has nothing to do with Fast and Furious. This, too, has nothing at all to do with Obama, or Buddy Roemer, or Ron Paul. This is not politics. It goes to the man's - Mitt Romney's - ethics and morals.

You guys put your politics before horses? Nice.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Riot

I know because I have the DEA license for dispensing those drugs, I know what drugs we use together, and why, and what their effects are.

Your bu.lls.h.ait attempt to imply I'm a cheater is just that - ignorant bull.shi.at.

And there's nothing more pathetic than watching some of you, those who pretend hate those evil cheating race trainers that take your gambling money, try and justify the exact same fraud in Mitt Romney's world.

This has nothing to do with politics. This has nothing to do with Fast and Furious. This, too, has nothing at all to do with Obama, or Buddy Roemer, or Ron Paul. This is not politics. It goes to the man's - Mitt Romney's - ethics and morals.

You guys put your politics before horses? Nice.

Wow - your little tirade, I thought, based on this:
""Romney is scum.

I don't care if he didn't know about this, and the trainer had a vet do it, or more likely, chose to do it his self, without the Romney's knowledge (very common, unfortunately) - it's cheating, it's fraud, it's deception, it's theft by deception, and worse, it's dangerous for the horse, for the rider.""

Was to attempt to assassinate his character - Ok fine you may have a point.

Then, when someone points out how Obama is responsible for over 2000 firearms being walked over the border specifically to be put in the hands of the drug cartels, many of which have turned up at violent crime scenes on both sides of the border and are responsible for at least 2 murders of US Border Patrol agents - that says nothing about his character? That just politics?

You're in rare form today.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Wow - your little tirade, I thought, based on this:
""Romney is scum.

I don't care if he didn't know about this, and the trainer had a vet do it, or more likely, chose to do it his self, without the Romney's knowledge (very common, unfortunately) - it's cheating, it's fraud, it's deception, it's theft by deception, and worse, it's dangerous for the horse, for the rider.""

Was to attempt to assassinate his character - Ok fine you may have a point.

Then, when someone points out how Obama is responsible for over 2000 firearms being walked over the border specifically to be put in the hands of the drug cartels, many of which have turned up at violent crime scenes on both sides of the border and are responsible for at least 2 murders of US Border Patrol agents - that says nothing about his character? That just politics?

You're in rare form today.

Hey - I'm appalled you haven't said anything about Guantanamo or Halliburton in this thread. You are in rare form today, too BTW, this thread isn't about Fast and Furious, it's about Romney.

And before you defend Romney, I strong suggest you read the entire complaint, too. I doubt you'll want to go on much offense with this one.

[Rileyoriley]

The buyer's vet admitted giving the horse tranquilizers to x-ray it. Can't remember what ones he gave or if he gave it to the horse before he took the drug screen. He also failed to mention it to the buyer. I agree the buyer has a case-against the vet THEY hired to do the purchase exam.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

The buyer's vet admitted giving the horse tranquilizers to x-ray it. Can't remember what ones he gave or if he gave it to the horse before he took the drug screen. He also failed to mention it to the buyer. I agree the buyer has a case-against the vet THEY hired to do the purchase exam.

There were four sedatives/analgesics found on the drug screen. The vet said he only gave two. Or maybe three. Only two are documented in the medical record. Seems the seller's agent also had a problem with honesty. All those steroid injections over the years. Then, there was the vet colluding with the seller via the agent.

Seems the legal owner, the seller - Mitt Romney - was selling a known lame horse that couldn't show nor perform any longer at the level intended at time of sale. Sold as an upper level dressage horse in spite of previous medical records indicating it had longstanding low ringbone, treated, and the horse couldn't be shown. The horse was drugged to pass the pre-purchase sound. And Romney took $125,000 for it.

Read the entire complaint. It's very ugly.

[Rileyoriley]

Originally Posted by Riot

There were four sedatives/analgesics found on the drug screen. The vet said he only gave two. Or maybe three. Only two are documented in the medical record. Seems the seller's agent also had a problem with honesty. All those steroid injections over the years. Then, there was the vet colluding with the seller via the agent.

Seems the legal owner, the seller - Mitt Romney - was selling a known lame horse that couldn't show nor perform any longer at the level intended at time of sale. Sold as an upper level dressage horse in spite of previous medical records indicating it had longstanding low ringbone, treated, and the horse couldn't be shown. The horse was drugged to pass the pre-purchase sound. And Romney took $125,000 for it.

Read the entire complaint. It's very ugly.

I am very familiar with this case. The vet said he only gave 2 or maybe 3 or maybe 4??? AND he can't remember if he took the drug screen before he gave the sedation. If anyone here has ever been involved with a purchase exam, the vet you hire to do the exam should provide you with a written account of everything done during this exam, including copies of x-rays. If the horse had to be sedated for x-rays or a full mouth exam (not unusual to have to sedate), it should be noted in the purchase exam and the drug screen taken BEFORE sedation. This client got a shoddy exam (including x-ray readings) and does have a lawsuit against the vet.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rileyoriley

I am very familiar with this case. The vet said he only gave 2 or maybe 3 or maybe 4???

The vet said he gave two, documented in the medical record, then said he also gave the xylazine, not documented in the medical record. That leaves one drug unaccounted for.

AND he can't remember if he took the drug screen before he gave the sedation. If anyone here has ever been involved with a purchase exam, the vet you hire to do the exam should provide you with a written account of everything done during this exam, including copies of x-rays. If the horse had to be sedated for x-rays or a full mouth exam (not unusual to have to sedate), it should be noted in the purchase exam and the drug screen taken BEFORE sedation. This client got a shoddy exam (including x-ray readings) and does have a lawsuit against the vet.

Yes, the vet here is horrible. But the seller, through his agent, also did some pretty nasty stuff. The vet talked to the seller - Romney - about the positive drug tests, via the Seller's express agent. The seller is culpable.

People appear to be jumping through hoops to defend the seller here. Sorry - the seller sold a known lame horse for $125,000.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by Riot

Hey - I'm appalled you haven't said anything about Guantanamo or Halliburton in this thread. You are in rare form today, too BTW, this thread isn't about Fast and Furious, it's about Romney.

No - Wrong. It is about Romney's character - you've made that clear - you called him a "Serial Liar" and "Scum".

"This is not politics. It goes to the man's - Mitt Romney's - ethics and morals."

You don't like the guy - we all get it - you clearly feel he has a lack of ethics and morals - CHARACTER issues

And before you defend Romney, I strong suggest you read the entire complaint, too. I doubt you'll want to go on much offense with this one.

WaaWHAATT!!? When did I ever defend him? In fact I agreed with you that you may well have a valid point.

You see, I don't know - I tend to wait for facts to be presented before I rush to judgement...That what us adults do. When you grow up, perhaps you will understand. I don't have the time nor the inclination to "read the actual complaint" so I simply concede your point. Again, what adults do.

What I do know for a fact, is that your criminal in the white house has more blood of innocent civilians on his hands than any president in memory.
Besides the 100's if not 1000's of innocent people he has killed by violating 50 years of international law - to the Americans he has killed by knowingly putting guns in the hands of criminals and pointing them straight at US citizens.

Those are facts. I merely pointed out that it seemed hypocritical to have such disdain for Romney's Character, yet embrace Obama as some sort of deity.

[Antitrust32]

So this is Romney's wife's horse.... and the vet hired by the buyer drugged the horse and gave the buyer a shady and unethical pre-purchase exam...

What does this have to do with Mitt Romney? seems like it has nothing to do with Mitt Romney.

Unless Mitt Romney knew anything about the horse being drugged... which it seems he didnt... and it seems like the horse was his wifes animal.. Than saying this problem reflects on Mitt Romneys character is pretty much the same as Dell saying Obama's rapist cousin reflects on Obama's character.

Hopefully the vet who did this gets into some trouble.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

So this is Romney's wife's horse.... and the vet hired by the buyer drugged the horse and gave the buyer a shady and unethical pre-purchase exam...

What does this have to do with Mitt Romney? seems like it has nothing to do with Mitt Romney.

Unless Mitt Romney knew anything about the horse being drugged... which it seems he didnt... and it seems like the horse was his wifes animal.. Than saying this problem reflects on Mitt Romneys character is pretty much the same as Dell saying Obama's rapist cousin reflects on Obama's character.
Hopefully the vet who did this gets into some trouble.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

No - Wrong. It is about Romney's character - you've made that clear - you called him a "Serial Liar" and "Scum".

Why are you saying, "Wrong"? when I said the thread was not about fast and furious, it is about Romney? Apparently we agree - it is indeed about Romney's morals, business ethics and character.

He is a serial liar, because well, he's been caught lying about stuff. Time after time. Not just the usual political exaggeration, but "pants on fire" lies. After he's been corrected on the facts.

That's a problem. A moral problem. I lived through Nixon. And Clinton. And Cheney. And Rove. And Scooter Libby. Lying at that level is a major problem.

I'll call Romney a "great businessman" for making that horse deal and getting $125,000 for a lame, useless pasture ornament. Is that better?

What do you call people that have lame horses doped so they can be sold for big bucks for a job they can no longer do because they are lame? I call them, "scum".

I have always hated Romney's political stances - but now this shows me the man has nothing worth admiring personally, either.

You see, I don't know - I tend to wait for facts to be presented before I rush to judgement...That what us adults do.

Yup. I've read the witness statement document. All of it. The drug report. Because that's what adults do. So I have the facts, thanks.

As someone that knows precisely what pre-purchases entail from the veterinary viewpoint, and having bought and sold horses of my own, I have reached the considered, adult conclusion that Romney is lying, cheating scum that will have a no longer servicable horse drugged, to sell it for $125,000.

When you grow up, perhaps you will understand. I don't have the time nor the inclination to "read the actual complaint" so I simply concede your point. Again, what adults do.

Unlike you, I did take the time to read the entire complaint before I even posted the thread, and thus have the facts informing my opinion.

Rather childish of you to tell me, "when you grow up", for something I did before I started the thread. And you haven't done at all.

What I do know for a fact, is that your criminal in the white house has more blood of innocent civilians on his hands than any president in memory.

Apparently you've forgotten George W. Bush.

Oh - and again, this thread is about Romney. Not how much you dislike our current President. You called Obama a deity - I never have. Don't put words in my mouth falsely characterizing my opinion, thanks.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

So this is Romney's wife's horse.... and the vet hired by the buyer drugged the horse and gave the buyer a shady and unethical pre-purchase exam...

You mean the Romney's vet? The one that colluded with the owner, via the owner's agent?

The owner that knew the horse was not showable for 2 1/2 years before the sale due to severe "worse I've ever seen" low ringbone?

The owner that knew the horse was treated for chronic lameness due to that ringbone repeatedly with steroids, Adequan, Lubrisyn?

The owner that knew that ringbone like that ends the horses career?

The owner that knew the horse had a compensatory soft-tissue lameness in the contralateral front leg? Because the ringbone leg hurt so much, too much weight was on the other leg - even not being ridden?

The owner - Romney - then decided to sell the unshowable lame ringbone-riddled horse as an "upper level dressage horse" for $125,000?

What does this have to do with Mitt Romney? seems like it has nothing to do with Mitt Romney.

Not if you close your eyes and simply admire Romney's ability to make money

[Antitrust32]

you should put a Mrs. in front of the Romney part because you make it seem like Mitt sold the horse.


Why would the buyer not use a vet they trusted for the pre purchase exam?


This whole thing is very very shady, but it doesnt seem to have anything to do with Mr. Romney.

The vet should lose their practice.