New Thoro-Graph record?

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Ya there was an interesting seminar at one of the DRF conferences in Las Vegas with Len Friedman, Jerry Brown and Beyer and a major topic of conversation was whether horses have gotten faster or slower. The sheets guys said faster, while Beyer said slower.

Yep. That is what is reflected on their figures.

On Beyers, horses have become a few points slower at all class levels over the last few years. A 115 twelve years ago would be like a 108-to-110 today. A 85 from 1999 would be like a 79 today.

On Ragozin Sheets, horses have become a little faster at all class levels over the last 10 to 12 years.

On Thoro-Graph Sheets, horses have become MUCH faster at all class levels over the last 10 to 12 years. Cheap claimers are now as fast as Great Hall of Famers.

However, all 3 figures have remained fairly consistent from class level to class level through time period to time period.

Thus, if you anchor the scales down with class pars -- all 3 of them will allow you a very comparison of todays horses with past horses at all class levels.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Yep. That is what is reflected on their figures.

On Beyers, horses have become a few points slower at all class levels over the last few years. A 115 twelve years ago would be like a 108-to-110 today. A 85 from 1999 would be like a 79 today.

On Ragozin Sheets, horses have become a little faster at all class levels over the last 10 to 12 years.

On Thoro-Graph Sheets, horses have become MUCH faster at all class levels over the last 10 to 12 years. Cheap claimers are now as fast as Great Hall of Famers.

However, all 3 figures have remained fairly consistent from class level to class level through time period to time period.

Thus, if you anchor the scales down with class pars -- all 3 of them will allow you a very comparison of todays horses with past horses at all class levels.

What are the fastest TG numbers ever for a male horse? I think Midnight Lute twice ran a negative 7. I've never seen better than that.

[Calzone Lord]

Midnight Lute broke Ghostzapper's record and currently holds it.

[golfer]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Midnight Lute broke Ghostzapper's record and currently holds it.

For whatever it's worth, while Midnight Lute did pair negative 7's, the fastest TG figure EVER was Quality Road's Negative 7.5 at Gulfstream in Feb of 2010, Donn Handcap.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by golfer

For whatever it's worth, while Midnight Lute did pair negative 7's, the fastest TG figure EVER was Quality Road's Negative 7.5 at Gulfstream in Feb of 2010, Donn Handcap.

Thanks. I guess I had finally stopped paying attention to all the new Thoro-Graph records by that point.

Quality Road was also a 4-year-old when he ran that negative 7.5 in the Donn.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Thanks. I guess I had finally stopped paying attention to all the new Thoro-Graph records by that point.

Quality Road was also a 4-year-old when he ran that negative 7.5 in the Donn.

I don't know enough about TG, but I posted why the Beyer was wrong for that race, too high of course, and nothing that happened after did anything to change my mind.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I don't know enough about TG, but I posted why the Beyer was wrong for that race, too high of course, and nothing that happened after did anything to change my mind.

I remember that.