Joel Rosario shifting his tack to NY

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Giving up a gig where you're first call for just about every favorite in 5-6 horse fields to come east to take part in the NY money grab seems a bit foolish to me.

I think he may be exposed as being a very average rider, and may have a tough time going back as there is plenty of talent (relatively speaking) in the jock's room at Del Mar/Hollywood.

Good luck to him, I hope I'm wrong - I don't see him taking over many of JV's mounts - especially if he doesn't make a strong impression very early on.

Yeah, but on the flip side. With the full fields that NYRA will have, you would think that he should have no problem finding mounts on a pretty consistent basis.

[blackthroatedwind]

Rosario's agent is one of the most popular people in racing ( for good reason ) and he's also extremely smart. There is little chance he is coming here to fly by the seat of his pants.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Rosario's agent is one of the most popular people in racing ( for good reason )

Who is the most unpopular?

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Rosario's agent is one of the most popular people in racing ( for good reason ) and he's also extremely smart. There is little chance he is coming here to fly by the seat of his pants.

That's why I get so amused by the commentary. If some of the "experts" knew Ronnie, most of this thread wouldn't exist.

[freddymo]

The guy is an elite young rider with a world class agent, instead of wondering if he will get mounts, people should be wondering what took so long.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The guy is an elite young rider with a world class agent, instead of wondering if he will get mounts, people should be wondering what took so long.

Very well said, Freddy.

Not a move I would advise. He's 6th in the nation in earnings. That with having a very quiet last 30 days because of chasing the Triple Crown, sadly having to attend to his brother and suspensions.

Not sure what the desired goal would be. Top 5 in the nation in total earnings? Already there. Live Triple Crown mounts? Already there. Breeders' Cup Prospects? Already there. Has won two.

Here's the thing. He's dominant in California. Something that is VERY VERY hard to accomplish. For some reason riders from back east with equal talent have tried it out here and failed. Never understood why but many have crawled home with their tail between their legs.

Also riding here is about 50,000 times easier logistically than bouncing around back east. Saratoga? Of course. What about the winter? Aqueduct ( inner ) don't think so for a kid from the Dominican. Keeneland? Sure. Will have build relationships. Gulfstream? Sure. Same story there.

California on the other hand is Valhalla for a guy that has his business. Fantastic weather year round. Live in the same house all but 7 weeks when somehow he has to endure a condo on a San Diego beach.

His morning work here is a total piece of cake. Breeze your stakes horses. Help out at Sadler's and a couple of marquee barns and kick around the backside politicing and visiting. Take some mornings off ( not an option at Belmont ) and ride nothing but 6/5 shots.

He and Bejarano are friends. More importantly their agents work together to freeze out other riders and keep the business in the top two family. VERY IMPORTANT! Also not possible back east.

I understand when you're young and super talented new adventures seem exciting. I say try river rafting, bungee jumping or of course musicals.

There's a certain little girl with Ruby slippers that said it best. And she was from Kansas for crying out loud. Not the paradise that So. Cal is.

Don't do it Joel.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Here's the thing. He's dominant in California. Something that is VERY VERY hard to accomplish. For some reason riders from back east with equal talent have tried it out here and failed. Never understood why but many have crawled home with their tail between their legs.

What are some examples of east coast guys who have gone west only to crawl home with their tails between their legs?

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by v j stauffer

Not a move I would advise. He's 6th in the nation in earnings. That with having a very quiet last 30 days because of chasing the Triple Crown, sadly having to attend to his brother and suspensions.

Not sure what the desired goal would be. Top 5 in the nation in total earnings? Already there. Live Triple Crown mounts? Already there. Breeders' Cup Prospects? Already there. Has won two.

Here's the thing. He's dominant in California. Something that is VERY VERY hard to accomplish. For some reason riders from back east with equal talent have tried it out here and failed. Never understood why but many have crawled home with their tail between their legs.

Also riding here is about 50,000 times easier logistically than bouncing around back east. Saratoga? Of course. What about the winter? Aqueduct ( inner ) don't think so for a kid from the Dominican. Keeneland? Sure. Will have build relationships. Gulfstream? Sure. Same story there.

California on the other hand is Valhalla for a guy that has his business. Fantastic weather year round. Live in the same house all but 7 weeks when somehow he has to endure a condo on a San Diego beach.

His morning work here is a total piece of cake. Breeze your stakes horses. Help out at Sadler's and a couple of marquee barns and kick around the backside politicing and visiting. Take some mornings off ( not an option at Belmont ) and ride nothing but 6/5 shots.

He and Bejarano are friends. More importantly their agents work together to freeze out other riders and keep the business in the top two family. VERY IMPORTANT! Also not possible back east.

I understand when you're young and super talented new adventures seem exciting. I say try river rafting, bungee jumping or of course musicals.

There's a certain little girl with Ruby slippers that said it best. And she was from Kansas for crying out loud. Not the paradise that So. Cal is.

Don't do it Joel.

I really don't understand your plea/post. Wouldn't a good goal be, trying to be the best of your profession? OK, he has accomplished a lot in California and no one is taking anything away from him. Although dominant might be a bit over the top, especially when the feeling seems to be (or at least the one I get) is that Raffie is the go to money guy out there. But I agree he has done very well for himself out there. But possibly it's to the point where he feels like he's accomplished all he's going to accomplish out there and he's starting to spin his wheels. If he wants to be the best and get nationally recoginized then he's going to the right place.

I really don't understand what jocks going from east to west has to do with the situation. What's the worst thing that could happen? If he bombs in NY, he'll just go back west and his buisness will eventually go back to normal. It's not like it's that deep of a colony out there Vic.

Now I have no idea if of Rosario's personal life, but I wish I could spend the summer in Saratoga. As far as NY goes, Belmont and Aqueduct are what 10 miles from each other. Besides what about the times that he will be able to ride in muliple races at different tracks on the same day. Can't do that from California. Ok winters on the inner can be brutal, but Ramon deals with it. If Joel rides to his ability he should have no problem going to Florida and getting mounts for the winter if he doesn't want to brave the cold. So obviously I'm not buying the logistics deal either.

Not sure what you are saying about his mornings, but I almost feel like you are trying to knock a hole in his work ethic. As far as the agents colluding to freeze out other jocks, isn't that another knock? If he's so dominant, why do the agents need to do that. Shouldn't all the trainers be knocking down his door?

I just feel like for a guy who used to be his agent and friend who raved about his ability all the time, this is far from the strong vote of confidence that I would expect from you. Not even a good luck Joel, I just find the whole commentary very strange and disappointing. Makes me think that this is just a case of sour grapes.

It only seems like he's been around for a long time.

I don't care either way how he does. I do, however, realize that the colony where he had cherry-picked mounts has been on the decline for over a decade.

We'll see how he does with less live horses. I'm not the only one who thinks he's slightly overrated. The switch to dirt will be telling statistically.

[blackthroatedwind]

I love when Vic copies the same post on multiple message boards. It makes me, the reader, feel special.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by asudevil

That's why I get so amused by the commentary. If some of the "experts" knew Ronnie, most of this thread wouldn't exist.

If people on message boards talked about things they actually knew about there would be VERY few posts.

I don't see the harm in it. Then again I'm a cynical bastard. Not asking questions due to peer pressure reminds me of how things were in 2001.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by asudevil

That's why I get so amused by the commentary. If some of the "experts" knew Ronnie, most of this thread wouldn't exist.

Ronnie Ebanks had a short career as a jockey. 1987 was his last year 23-for-297.

Byk loves the guy. About a year ago, I posted a picture of one of his ridiculous outfits and he pulled it.