Wisconsin Recall

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

And the President will say and do anything to get re-elected. Including demonizing one evil wall street capitalist while allowing others to host dinners for him.

All the Wall Street money has now gone to Romney this election cycle, according to election filings.

But that has nothing to do with the Senate Republicans record-setting and documented minority-filibustering and outright obstruction over the past three years.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

All the Wall Street money has now gone to Romney this election cycle, according to election filings.

But that has nothing to do with the Senate Republicans record-setting and documented minority-filibustering and outright obstruction over the past three years.

Aside from the Bain folks donating to the President and of course the Lasry dinner at 40K per person.

It has to do with setting aside what is right in order to get elected. By BOTH parties as was stated earlier in the thread.

Unions are thugs for the most part.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Unions are thugs for the most part.

Nonsense. Unions haven't bashed people over the heads with violence for decades.

You falsely characterizing the current crop of Wisconsin school teachers, firefighters and police as physically violent is purposely disingenuous and nasty on your part.

Or you just don't know what "thugs" really means when you use the term "union thugs"?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nonsense. Unions haven't bashed people over the heads with violence for decades.

You falsely characterizing the current crop of Wisconsin school teachers, firefighters and police as physically violent is purposely disingenuous and nasty on your part.

Or you just don't know what "thugs" really means when you use the term "union thugs"?

Rogue/Cheat=Thug

Perhaps definitions have evolved a bit. Thuggish behavior was exhibited in a useless recall election of a Governor that was silly enough to hold up the occasional campaign promise.
Chicago politics=thuggery.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Rogue/Cheat=Thug

Perhaps definitions have evolved a bit. Thuggish behavior was exhibited in a useless recall election of a Governor that was silly enough to hold up the occasional campaign promise.
Chicago politics=thuggery.

No. The definition of a "thug" remains "a violent person, especially criminal."

I am not denying that unions used to use violence decades ago. It was ugly when unions first came about. The term "union thug" had a specific meaning, and it involved violence and terror and pain.

But you characterizing unions the same way today is simply wrong.

Words have meanings. You are calling union members - the schoolteachers, firefighters and policemen of Wisconsin, "union thugs".

That's nasty of you to call them that. And factually wrong.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

No. The definition of a "thug" remains "a violent person, especially criminal."

I am not denying that unions used to use violence decades ago. It was ugly when unions first came about. The term "union thug" had a specific meaning, and it involved violence and terror and pain.

But you characterizing unions the same way today is simply wrong.

Words have meanings. You are calling union members - the schoolteachers, firefighters and policemen of Wisconsin, "union thugs".

That's nasty of you to call them that. And factually wrong.

Unions are bullies then. That the majority of their forced membership would opt out of given a choice.

Obama will say or do anything to get elected. Which was the original point of my statement. The thug comment was more about seeing them take a public beating.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Unions are bullies then. That the majority of their forced membership would opt out of given a choice.

Obama will say or do anything to get elected. Which was the original point of my statement. The thug comment was more about seeing them take a public beating.

You parrot and foment hate terms. You repeat the hate terms deliberately used by ALEC this past year to turn members of the public against Wisconsin public school teachers, firemen and policemen. Falsely accusing them of violence, calling them "union thugs", justified suddenly violating contracts, justified taking their pensions and cutting their pay by 1/3, removing all negotiated salary protections they used to have, in favor of giving tax cuts to the wealthy and using the money that used to go to school teachers, policemen and firemen to plug the gap.

These are not "union thugs". These are school teachers, policemen and firemen who have served your community for decades, who have accumulated savings and pensions, who thought they could retire after a lifetime of hard work.

That's nasty. Think before you speak. There is a deliberate reason you were taught to use that term out of meaning. There is a deliberate reason ALEC and the RGA has told people to start referring to neighbors as "union thugs". It was so certain political people could benefit themselves with tax breaks, and you'd go along with using the lifetime of hard work of your neighbors, of your schoolteachers, policemen and firemen, to pay for it.

Because suddenly you were taught to view these people, not as your neighbors or protectors or the teachers of your children, but as nasty violent "union thugs" who deserved to lose what they'd spent a lifetime working for. Hate them! Unions are thugs! Take away all they have! They are the cause of all your financial problems!

Because rich people want tax breaks, and the money has to come from somewhere.

It's just a shell game. Teaching you to call your neighbors "union thugs", and blame your neighbors, enables it.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Unions are bullies then. That the majority of their forced membership would opt out of given a choice.

Obama will say or do anything to get elected. Which was the original point of my statement. The thug comment was more about seeing them take a public beating.

More than half of them did opt out in WI once they were given the choice

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nonsense. Unions haven't bashed people over the heads with violence for decades.

You falsely characterizing the current crop of Wisconsin school teachers, firefighters and police as physically violent is purposely disingenuous and nasty on your part.

Or you just don't know what "thugs" really means when you use the term "union thugs"?

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/..._to_media.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by pointman

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/..._to_media.html

Yes - those people could be called union "thugs", during that action, couldn't they?

But what does that have to do with non-violent Wisconsin teachers, firefighters and police men?

Nothing.

I suppose the point that I was making, that unions are no longer rooted in violence and intimidation, was simply too nuanced for you to grasp? Or, because one union in one action in 2011 was violent, you want to use that to disprove the simple truth that unions today are not violent?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pointman

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/..._to_media.html

those are probably thugs, not union members. you know, like every time there was an assault with occupy, it was never occupy members...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

those are probably thugs, not union members. you know, like every time there was an assault with occupy, it was never occupy members...

Yes - because there were 20 black bloc anarchists at a public protest breaking windows, we can blame an international occupy movement for being violent.

Because there was an incidence of union violence in 2011 in Washington State, we can call Milwaukee teachers "union thugs".

Bigotry. It lives. Proudly.

There was an illegal hispanic that voted once. That makes them all illegal voters. There were 4 felons that voted in the 2008 presidential election. That makes all felons illegal voters. And we know that illegals and felons vote for Obama. Because "they all do".

You should know, hypocrite.