union rags

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

someone should warn matz.

I can take it. Be clever at least. That crap above is so lame, not to mention 4yrs ago.

I was looking at my autographed Michael Matz pancake on head painting this morning.

The silence told me 3rd.

[slotdirt]

I think recent history shows that fresher horses run better at Belmont. I don't believe we've had a horse who ran in the Preakness win the Belmont since 2005. And before that, you have to go back to Point Given in 2001 to find a Belmont winner who even ran in the Preakness.

[Thunder Gulch]

I questioned Rags at 10f, so I'm firmly in the camp that believes those bloodlines don't favor him getting better going 12f.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Thunder Gulch

I questioned Rags at 10f, so I'm firmly in the camp that believes those bloodlines don't favor him getting better going 12f.

I'm in this camp too. He also hasn't showed enough improvement between last year and this year that makes me think he can win this race.

[lemoncrush]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I think recent history shows that fresher horses run better at Belmont. I don't believe we've had a horse who ran in the Preakness win the Belmont since 2005. And before that, you have to go back to Point Given in 2001 to find a Belmont winner who even ran in the Preakness.

I agree, but you could argue Curlin ran a winning race in the Belmont after winning the preakness

[HaloWishingwell]

I didnt like Union Rags for the Classics the moment I read his breeding. As for him being placed with the leaders early on, I welcome it. I'll Have Another has caught anyone who has been ahead of him all four races this year. Looks like your best chance is to strike late against him.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by slotdirt

I think recent history shows that fresher horses run better at Belmont. I don't believe we've had a horse who ran in the Preakness win the Belmont since 2005. And before that, you have to go back to Point Given in 2001 to find a Belmont winner who even ran in the Preakness.

Originally Posted by lemoncrush

I agree, but you could argue Curlin ran a winning race in the Belmont after winning the preakness

Shackleford and Mucho Macho Man were empty for Belmont last year, but it's hard to condemn Animal Kingdom given the mugging.

First Dude -- 2nd in Preakness -- was 3rd in '10 Belmont, beaten less than a length.

Mine That Bird's '09 Belmont was doomed by Borel, but there was certainly nothing wrong with his effort post Derby-Preakness.

Horses exiting Preakness in the Belmont since '02: 24/1-4-3
Horses exiting 1-2-3 Preakness finish since '02: 16/1-3-3

[Sightseek]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Shackleford and Mucho Macho Man were empty for Belmont last year, but it's hard to condemn Animal Kingdom given the mugging.

First Dude -- 3rd in Preakness -- was 3rd in '10 Belmont, beaten less than a length.

Mine That Bird's '09 Belmont was doomed by Borel, but there was certainly nothing wrong with his effort post Derby-Preakness.

Horses exiting Preakness in the Belmont since '02: 24/1-4-3
Horses exiting 1-2-3 Preakness finish since '02: 16/1-3-3

First Dude was 2nd in the Preakness.

[pba1817]

When I look at Union Rags efforts as the distances increased.. the diminishing figures and duller performances to me says, "Hey, I love 1 turn races".

He does get the french statue off his back and did run his best race ever over the surface, so he has a couple things going for him...

[pucknut]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Shackleford and Mucho Macho Man were empty for Belmont last year, but it's hard to condemn Animal Kingdom given the mugging.

First Dude -- 3rd in Preakness -- was 3rd in '10 Belmont, beaten less than a length.

Mine That Bird's '09 Belmont was doomed by Borel, but there was certainly nothing wrong with his effort post Derby-Preakness.

Horses exiting Preakness in the Belmont since '02: 24/1-4-3
Horses exiting 1-2-3 Preakness finish since '02: 16/1-3-3

Steve nice analysis of the belmont in the xpressbet feature

[slotdirt]

Great stats, Steve. Wondering what the record in that time of Derby runners skipping the Preakness is. Just off the top of my noodle, there's Empire Maker, Birdstone, Jazil, and Summer Bird, and Rags to Riches should half count. Even in the years where there were big upsetters since Point Given in '01 (i.e., Da'Tara, Ruler on Ice), horses like Denis of Cork, Bluegrass Cat, Dunkirk, and Stay Thirsty have gone Derby-Preakness and run second.

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by pucknut

Steve nice analysis of the belmont in the xpressbet feature

Thx.. Was certainly disappointed by Alpha coming out as I was gearing towards him. Will get an update filed tomorrow.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I can take it. Be clever at least. That crap above is so lame, not to mention 4yrs ago.

speaking of four years ago, is that when you had the bet vs dahoss that you lost? not sure the exact time frame....

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Danzig

speaking of four years ago, is that when you had the bet vs dahoss that you lost? not sure the exact time frame....

Not much improvment here.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Not much improvment here.

i'll try not to lose sleep over your lack of approval.