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06-01-2012, 11:24 PM
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i'm not happy with how things have gone these last 12 years, and i have no high hopes for the immediate future. i hate the mess we're leaving for our kids to sort out. it was thought provoking, i'm sure it rubbed some the wrong way to see a side of their leader they didn't wish to consider.
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06-02-2012, 07:31 AM
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06-02-2012, 09:57 AM
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 I honestly have to say I'm not shocked in the least by any of this... He's got political aspirations and will use any means necessary to insure that this fight remains on foreign shores. Unfortunately,as Tony Blair correctly points out, his approach leads to increased tensions and hostility, lots of unintended causalities, which in turn perpetually breeds more hate and discontent until you have a never ending list of names to add to the kill list. But then again, as long as your plan is to maintain a perpetual "war on terror", you've got to make certain you have a fully stocked supply of people that would want to cause you harm - no better way to do that than to accidentally blow up their village with a drone and kill their families going after #16 on the list.
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06-02-2012, 12:34 PM
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Still trying to outsmart me, aren't you, mule-skinner? You want me to think that you don't want me to go down there, but the subtle truth is you really don't want me to go down there!
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06-02-2012, 02:46 PM
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06-04-2012, 02:16 PM
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Obama called out as "a Murderer"
Huff Post re-reporting:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1565441.html >>>"If you go to the village of Al-Majalah in Yemen, where I was, and you see the unexploded clusterbombs and you have the list and photographic evidence, as I do--the women and children that represented the vast majority of the deaths in this first strike that Obama authorized on Yemen--those people were murdered by President Obama, on his orders, because there was believed to be someone from Al Qaeda in that area. There's only one person that's been identified that had any connection to Al Qaeda there. And 21 women and 14 children were killed in that strike and the U.S. tried to cover it up, and say it was a Yemeni strike, and we know from the Wikileaks cables that David Petraeus conspired with the president of Yemen to lie to the world about who did that bombing. It's murder--it's mass murder--when you say, 'We are going to bomb this area' because we believe a terrorist is there, and you know that women and children are in the area. The United States has an obligation to not bomb that area if they believe that women and children are there. I'm sorry, that's murder."<<< You think the Sons, Uncles, Cousins, etc. of those women and children are thrilled with the US, or running to Al Qaeda to sign up? Good Going, Obama - get the entire middle east pissed off in time to pull our troops out of Afghanistan so you have the excuse to keep them there forever....errr...oh, yeah - that's the plan - my bad.
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06-02-2012, 02:45 PM
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i hate the tactics-i especially am appalled at how they decide if someone is a casualty or not. of a certain age, sex, you're automatically a bad guy. amazing. we need some students of history in government, and we need to completely rethinkg our defense and foreign policy. when pearl harbor was hit, yamamoto said something along the lines of fearing they'd woken a sleeping giant, and filled him with resolve. we weren't a superpower, but we were feared all the same because of our industry, and our general attitude of having great strength of will. that was also shown in ww1, when germany was hoping to end things before we could get over there and change the course of war. ooops. why the push after ww2 to have a huge, permanent standing army? why the moves to install countless bases overseas? whey the permanent carrying of a big stick? one need only look at the changes since ww2 and the pickles we've gotten ourselves into to see we've made huge mistakes. no need to continue them. drone strikes in multiple countries, the longest war in our nations history still being waged....all to what end?
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