Horse of the World

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by King Glorious

Your question is who do we think may have been able if campaigned to do so. The first name to jump out to me was Candy Ride. Some others are Secretariat, Blushing John, Lure, and Arazi. What kind of record did Arcangues have in Europe? What about Jolypha? Ibn Bey? Even GC, Sakhee, and Swain all lost here, they ran winning races and that means more to me than an actual winner that didn't run so great. Give me their Classics over Drosselmeyer’s any day.

Candy Ride -- even to a way more dramatic extent than Sakhee -- was fragile.

True, Candy Ride was also an excellent performer on both surfaces -- but I have my doubts about him being able to win a top class grass race in Europe.

Arcangues wasn't a champion caliber turf horse -- not in Europe and not in his turf races here either.

Swain was probably the horse best cut-out to be 'Horse of the World' of anything to race in the last 25 years.

He was a perfect 5-for-5 going into the Arc as a 3-year-old and finished 3rd. Group 1 winner on turf at ages 4, 5, and 6. Champion older turf horse in England and Ireland at ages 5 and 6. Ran two great races on dirt against elite American dirt horses.

He won 10-of-22 lifetime -- but was haunted by only achieving placings in the biggest International races to American observers.

Arc (3rd)
Breeders Cup Turf (3rd)
Breeders Cup Classic (3rd)
Dubai World Cup (2nd)

The Group 1 King George has been run since 1951 at Royal Ascot -- and he's one of only two horses in history to win it more than once.

In Swain's 1998 King George win -- English Derby winner High Rise was 2nd. Royal Anthem and Daylami finished 3rd and 4th -- they absolutely dominated the Breeders Cup Turf at Gulfstream, finishing 1st and 2nd and Daylami getting a record 118 Turf Beyer.

In Swain's 1997 King George win -- the 2nd place finisher was the mighty Pilsudski. A horse who won 6 Group 1's including the Breeders Cup Turf, Japan Cup, Four Euro Group 1's, and two second place finishes in the Arc. The 3rd place finisher Helissio won 5 Group 1's including the Arc. 4th place finisher Singspiel won the Japan Cup, Dubai World Cup, he also won a couple of Group 1's in Europe and he won an Eclipse award as the North American champion turf horse of 1996.

Swain's sire Nashwan won 6 of 7 lifetime starts (including the English Derby) -- his dam Love Smitten beat Lady Secret in the Grade 1 Apple Blossom on dirt. He was the rare horse who inherited a love of both surfaces.

No horse I've ever seen has actually earned the title Horse of the World -- but because of Swain's elite dual surface ability, consistency, and longevity... he'd be the right horse for the job. Obviously he would have steam-rolled horses like Blame or Drosselmeyer on dirt.

The quality of competition he faced, both on turf and dirt, is truly incredible. He was a top class horse for four straight years at a time when Europe and America both enjoyed its deepest older horse divisions of the last 20 years.

[cakes44]

I'm sure Ghostzapper would have run on turf and run some serious animals into the ground. Wasn't exactly durable enough to put together the type of campaign needed for the mythical HOW title though.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by cakes44

I'm sure Ghostzapper would have run on turf and run some serious animals into the ground. Wasn't exactly durable enough to put together the type of campaign needed for the mythical HOW title though.

I dunno. I have my doubts about Ghostzapper as a turf horse. Awesome Again doesn't exactly make you think of turf.

Obviously Cigar could be ruled out. Mineshaft as well since he came from Europe and did nothing there.

A horse like Sunday Silence had excellent turf breeding and was an excellent turf sire. Secretariat handled turf outstandingly -- I assume he could have been very tough over there.

I love this horse. Her 10th win still gives me a tingling sensation up my leg whenever I watch it.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

I love this horse. Her 10th win still gives me a tingling sensation up my leg whenever I watch it.

Yes --- an undefeated record does that for most women.

And she's even beating the finest sprinters Aussie land has to offer.

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

Yes --- an undefeated record does that for most women.

And she's even beating the finest sprinters Aussie land has to offer.

And she's sparking that Aussie-Brit machismo nationalism b.s.

I hope she breaks the track record at Ascot and that reptilian skank overlord is there to watch it live.

[declansharbor]

Doug, how good could Barbaro have been if they kept him on the lawn do you think? Thx.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Calzone Lord

In Swain's 1997 King George win -- the 2nd place finisher was the mighty Pilsudski. A horse who won 6 Group 1's including the Breeders Cup Turf, Japan Cup, Four Euro Group 1's, and two second place finishes in the Arc. The 3rd place finisher Helissio won 5 Group 1's including the Arc. 4th place finisher Singspiel won the Japan Cup, Dubai World Cup, he also won a couple of Group 1's in Europe and he won an Eclipse award as the North American champion turf horse of 1996.

Here's a better idea of how tough this race was ...

In his last five starts, Singspiel had just won Grade 1 Canadian International by 2 lengths. Finished 2nd as the even money favorite in the Breeders Cup Turf. Won the Japan Cup at 6/1. Won the $4 million Dubai World Cup on the dirt. And Won the Group 1 Coronation Cup by 5 lengths at Epsom.



Off those five races -- he went off at odds of 4-to-1 in the 1997 King George!!! Think that was a tough field?