Albany ups power play; State, Legislature, NYRA announce mgmt. deal

[pointman]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Looks to me like if the people at NYRA would have followed the terms as they agreed, and would have not ripped off the betting public, this probably would have been avoided... icing on the cake appears to be the promotion of the people who were at the helm when the takeout "issue" was going on.

You do realize that the people who sent NYRA the letter and ordered the lottery to withhold the money from NYRA are just as responsible, if not more, than NYRA for this error? Or are you just talking out of your a$$ as usual?

I wonder if the Inspector General is going to investigate the Racing and Wagering Board and the Oversight Panel as well to determine if there is any criminality with regard to their missing that the percentages should have been changed. Not likely to happen as this is clearly a witch hunt.

[richard]

Originally Posted by pointman

You do realize that the people who sent NYRA the letter and ordered the lottery to withhold the money from NYRA are just as responsible, if not more, than NYRA for this error? Or are you just talking out of your a$$ as usual?

I wonder if the Inspector General is going to investigate the Racing and Wagering Board and the Oversight Panel as well to determine if there is any criminality with regard to their missing that the percentages should have been changed. Not likely to happen as this is clearly a witch hunt.

Of course they should be investigated for possible criminal collusion. We'll see.

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by pointman

You do realize that the people who sent NYRA the letter and ordered the lottery to withhold the money from NYRA are just as responsible, if not more, than NYRA for this error? Or are you just talking out of your a$$ as usual?

I wonder if the Inspector General is going to investigate the Racing and Wagering Board and the Oversight Panel as well to determine if there is any criminality with regard to their missing that the percentages should have been changed. Not likely to happen as this is clearly a witch hunt.

No I am not aware. As I said in my posts on the subject, the writer of the article and the letter to NYRA makes it appear that someone is not being legit in the crux on the matter. Which in all reality, when dealing with politicians and boards and oversights and etc, most all are not legit.

[pba1817]

At what point do you stop getting in bed with the state and run your business privately?

Once you accept the handout, or reimbursements, or whatever you like to call them, you are now dealing with the devil.

Was NYRA and their tracks a privately owned business at any point? With no state involvement or funding? If so, why is the state involved now?

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by pba1817

At what point do you stop getting in bed with the state and run your business privately?

Once you accept the handout, or reimbursements, or whatever you like to call them, you are now dealing with the devil.

Was NYRA and their tracks a privately owned business at any point? With no state involvement or funding? If so, why is the state involved now?

State always had their hand in the various Associations pockets even pre-GNYRA (Greater New York Racing Association) when there were 4 separate entities. Albany has milked racing in this state endlessly and then added layers of patronage when afforded the opportunity in 1970 with the creation of the OTB system. At that point, by all rights, Albany began competing with NYRA and therein lies the source of all the problems the past 40 years.

[Gaelic Storm]

Left at the Gate blog has a good post about this topic.

http://leftatthegate.blogspot.com/20...r-on-nyra.html

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Gaelic Storm

Left at the Gate blog has a good post about this topic.

http://leftatthegate.blogspot.com/20...r-on-nyra.html

Excellent link. I personally think that NYRA should march into Court with an Order to Show Cause to obtain an Injunction against the State from withholding the payments. I really find it hard to believe that the State can revoke NYRA's contract on something like this.

This is clearly people CYAing and trying to use the media to shift the blame on NYRA and attempt to convince the public that it is the same old NYRA despite the reality that it is now run by a different set of people. As we have seen such nonsense works and even convinces some people who are supposedly fans of the game.

[fpsoxfan]

Cuomo is nothing more than a crook in a suit. As a teacher I continue to laugh at my Union (NYSUT) who supported this jackass. After elected, he stuck it to the teachers union. It's bad enough I pay dues to these idiots, but I laugh when they send out the VOTE COPE campaign contributions form.

The man is no good!

[pba1817]

Originally Posted by Kasept

State always had their hand in the various Associations pockets even pre-GNYRA (Greater New York Racing Association) when there were 4 separate entities. Albany has milked racing in this state endlessly and then added layers of patronage when afforded the opportunity in 1970 with the creation of the OTB system. At that point, by all rights, Albany began competing with NYRA and therein lies the source of all the problems the past 40 years.

Thank you for the informative post, and thus the true crux of the matter comes, it is always a money grab by one source or the other isn't it? It is too bad that the actually horseman, the fans, the and racing product itself will be the only who suffer in the situation. I remember back to my early days following racing and New York was the place.. now well unfortunately its just kinda like everywhere else.

It sure seems that there is just WAY too much politics withing racing, and that goes for just about every state who allows racing. California is a mess, Kentucky seems to becoming a mess, NY is a mess.. sad.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Thank you for the informative post, and thus the true crux of the matter comes, it is always a money grab by one source or the other isn't it? It is too bad that the actually horseman, the fans, the and racing product itself will be the only who suffer in the situation. I remember back to my early days following racing and New York was the place.. now well unfortunately its just kinda like everywhere else.

It sure seems that there is just WAY too much politics withing racing, and that goes for just about every state who allows racing. California is a mess, Kentucky seems to becoming a mess, NY is a mess.. sad.

I'm holding my breath in wait for you to enlighten the rest of us as to where the racing is better than New York?

[pba1817]

Keep holding you breath, maybe you will drop dead. While you are at it, try to improve your comprehension skills. I never said anything was better(regardless of my personal opinion), I said it has simply become the same as everywhere else.

When I say the same, I mean short fields, tough to fill races, a lot of scratches, and political issues that are hard to overcome.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by pba1817

Thank you for the informative post, and thus the true crux of the matter comes, it is always a money grab by one source or the other isn't it? It is too bad that the actually horseman, the fans, the and racing product itself will be the only who suffer in the situation.

Sure, it will always be that way as long as takeout is collected first, at an arbitrary percentage. The respective states get paid first, at a constant percentage, and need not have any concern about the day to day operations. The state governments are not forward thinking enough to grow the business or help it to thrive. They don't care - and they never will. The only performance oriented people are the others you allude to - the horsemen, the jockeys, the track operations people.

It's another classic leech situation, just like high taxes. When the government gets paid first - like the witholding in your weekly paycheck - they are insulated from the other worries that other earners - like you who earned the check - may have.