NYTHA Lasix Primer & Letter to NYS RWB

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I read the reports. They don't know how. They did the best they could with what they had to work with, but that is about the best I can say.

What the hell are you talking about? There are multiple studies out there, some in the research lab and some retroactive studies of actual racing results.

You just dissed them all as to results and methodology.

You don't have the first clue what you are talking about. You have no idea how veterinarians measured "performance".

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

What the hell are you talking about? There are multiple studies out there, some in the research lab and some retroactive studies of actual racing results.

You just dissed them all as to results and methodology.

You don't have the first clue what you are talking about. You have no idea how veterinarians measured "performance".

The retroactive studies using actual racing results are particularly laughable. I have a database with nearly a million races in it that can easily disprove any of the conclusions they drew from the data they had.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The retroactive studies using actual racing results are particularly laughable. I have a database with nearly a million races in it that can easily disprove any of the conclusions they drew from the data they had.

CMorioles says he can disprove 100% of any published scientific study by his personal computer database.

Please - the climate deniers and conspiracy theorists need your help desperately

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

CMorioles says he can disprove 100% of any published scientific study by his personal computer database.

Please - the climate deniers and conspiracy theorists need your help desperately

That isn't what I said, and you know it. I guess you are still sore I said it isn't always about the horse, even though you know it is true. So you twist things and make others up instead of admitting your psychotic rant was totally out of line.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

That isn't what I said, and you know it. I guess you are still sore I said it isn't always about the horse, even though you know it is true. So you twist things and make others up instead of admitting your psychotic rant was totally out of line.

No, that's exactly what you said. Here. Read your words:

cmorioles wrote: "The retroactive studies using actual racing results are particularly laughable. I have a database with nearly a million races in it that can easily disprove any of the conclusions they drew from the data they had."

I'll inform Gluck and NIH that it is worthless to do any research using actual horses races or laboratory imitation of racing conditions, because cmorioles has a database that can easily disprove any of the conclusions they draw from the data they have.

You might want to look up "psychotic". It doesn't mean how you are using it. And, again:the climate deniers need men who think like you.

It's nice to know that, throughout weeks of discussion regarding lasix, you and your buddy Rollo have absolutely refused to acknowledge any piece of evidence that even remotely negatively impacts your preformed opinions.

Good luck with that, guys.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, that's exactly what you said. Here. Read your words:



I'll inform Gluck and NIH that it is worthless to do any research using actual horses races or laboratory imitation of racing conditions, because cmorioles has a database that can easily disprove any of the conclusions they draw from the data they have.

You might want to look up "psychotic". It doesn't mean how you are using it. And, again:the climate deniers need men who think like you.

It's nice to know that, throughout weeks of discussion regarding lasix, you and your buddy Rollo have absolutely refused to acknowledge any piece of evidence that even remotely negatively impacts your preformed opinions.

Good luck with that, guys.

I clearly was referencing the studies about Lasix and performance that used actual race results, nothing more. Only an idiot could stretch that to other fields.like weather. Well, an idiot or a psycho.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I clearly was referencing the studies about Lasix and performance that used actual race results, nothing more. Only an idiot could stretch that to other fields.like weather. Well, an idiot or a psycho.

Nope. All you said was, "I read the reports". I asked you which specific studies you have determined, in your infinite wisdom, were inadequate, poor methodology, etc.

You declined to answer. You still haven't.

So answer now. Name one of those hundreds of peer-reviewed, published study where you have determined the methodology is wrong making the results wrong.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, that's exactly what you said. Here. Read your words:



I'll inform Gluck and NIH that it is worthless to do any research using actual horses races or laboratory imitation of racing conditions, because cmorioles has a database that can easily disprove any of the conclusions they draw from the data they have.

You might want to look up "psychotic". It doesn't mean how you are using it. And, again:the climate deniers need men who think like you.

It's nice to know that, throughout weeks of discussion regarding lasix, you and your buddy Rollo have absolutely refused to acknowledge any piece of evidence that even remotely negatively impacts your preformed opinions.

Good luck with that, guys.

I really think you should go over to England and some of the other countries where lasix is banned on race day. I think if you explained to them how beneficial lasix is to the horses, I'm sure they would legalize it. Nobody over there understands. They are just ignorant in all of those countries. I think you need to enlighten them. I mean the arguments in favor of lasix are so strong, I don't know how anyone could be against it.

Guys like myself, Cmorioles, and RolloTomassi are just stubborn. We know that lasix is great for the horses. Lasix has improved Amercian racing immensely. There is no chance that lasix is one of the contributing factors to horses having fewer starts per year now than they did 30 years ago.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Guys like myself, Cmorioles, and RolloTomassi are just stubborn. We know that lasix is great for the horses. Lasix has improved Amercian racing immensely. There is no chance that lasix is one of the contributing factors to horses having fewer starts per year now than they did 30 years ago.

Yep, I'm sure racing with 20 pounds lost before the race is great for them. I know when I run, I always take a water pill to shed myself of 4 or 5 pounds of water weight. It is a great way to compete. I'm also sure that these vets know everything there is to know about the after effects of Lasix in the short time it has been used regularly and that is has absolutely nothing to do with the pathetic state of the game today.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Guys like myself, Cmorioles, and RolloTomassi are just stubborn.

Yes, you guys are quite the show. You are the very picture of 12-year-old boys in a locker room, comparing sizes.

Unfortunately, no matter how often you curse those you disagree with, your obvious stubbornness and ignorance, your refusal to change poorly-informed dogma in the face of experts pointing out your fallacy and falsehood, is a danger to this sport.

The fact remains that your guys uninformed, outdated and wrong opinions are a tiny minority. You're the equivalent of conspiracy theorists and Jenny McCarthy. You do scream ever more loudly and rudely, however, in an attempt to compensate for the lack of fact and truth. Insecurity must be a scary thing for the uninformed and uninformable, to have their dogmatic ideas assaulted but not be able to comprehend or change with the times.

You "know what you know", and dammit, you don't need to consider that you might possibly be entirely wrong.

It has to be very, very dark where your heads are at. But stop trying to ruin horse racing for the rest of us.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

The retroactive studies using actual racing results are particularly laughable. I have a database with nearly a million races in it that can easily disprove any of the conclusions they drew from the data they had.

Not sure how you missed that. Maybe they turned the lights out at Burger King and the juice on your phone is running out.