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[pointman]

Originally Posted by bigrun

So do millions of others agree with him...why bring up Cheney....what do you think his position would be if his daughter wasn't a lesbian?...

You don't see the irony in that Cheny was more progressive on this issue than Obama? Do I really have to spell it out for you or are you just trying to troll my point?

Originally Posted by pointman

You don't see the irony in that Cheny was more progressive on this issue than Obama? Do I really have to spell it out for you or are you just trying to troll my point?

You have to treat Formula One like he's a 4 year old. Talk to him like you would a child that's asking for help with a big block puzzle.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by pointman

You don't see the irony in that Cheny was more progressive on this issue than Obama? Do I really have to spell it out for you or are you just trying to troll my point?

Not trolling...Just don't understand the significance of using Cheney to make your point...His daughter is gay!..what other position could he take...and who gives a shiit about anything Cheney says....JMHO....

[pointman]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Not trolling...Just don't understand the significance of using Cheney to make your point...His daughter is gay!..what other position could he take...and who gives a shiit about anything Cheney says....JMHO....

If you despise him so much then you should understand the irony that Cheny was more progressive than Obama on the issue. Obama claims to have drawn his position from his daughters also (not that they are gay, but their feelings with regard to it). If anything, I give Cheney the credit of going against those around him as he understood the importance of this issue by seeing its effect on a person who he loved close to him and abandoned the party line to support his convictions.

But let's not slap Mr. Obama on the back just yet. As RBE correctly pointed out, this is an issue that Obama has flip-flopped on and was trying to sit out on making a decision until after the election (one of many things that he is attempting to put off until after the election) and only took this position when his gay and lesbian donors threatened to pull money from his campaign and forced him to make a decision.

That is hardly the qualities of a strong and decisive leader who should be given credit. He has still fallen short of the real issue which is that gays and lesbians should be allowed to marry nationwide. Period.

IMO this is not a State's rights issue. This is a fundamental Constitutional issue.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by pointman

If you despise him so much then you should understand the irony that Cheny was more progressive than Obama on the issue. Obama claims to have drawn his position from his daughters also (not that they are gay, but their feelings with regard to it). If anything, I give Cheney the credit of going against those around him as he understood the importance of this issue by seeing its effect on a person who he loved close to him and abandoned the party line to support his convictions.

But let's not slap Mr. Obama on the back just yet. As RBE correctly pointed out, this is an issue that Obama has flip-flopped on and was trying to sit out on making a decision until after the election (one of many things that he is attempting to put off until after the election) and only took this position when his gay and lesbian donors threated to pull money from his campaign and forced him to make a decision.

That is hardly the qualities of a strong and decisive leader who should be given credit. He has still fallen short of the real issue which is that gays and lesbians should be allowed to marry nationwide. Period.

OK I and agree to disagree...my bad, i still suffer from Bush/Cheney syndrome...I wasn't defending Obama, just ragging on Darth.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Not trolling...Just don't understand the significance of using Cheney to make your point...His daughter is gay!..what other position could he take...and who gives a shiit about anything Cheney says....JMHO....

what other position could he take? there are plenty of parents out there who cling to homophobia even tho their children are homosexual. it's certainly not always accepted. far from it.
i remember a few years back a woman told a story about her daughter coming out to her. she was about 17-18 years old. the woman did nothing but constanly hound her daughter to change. her girl committed suicide at about age 24. that woman said she has to live with what happened the rest of her life, and said if she could go back and change things, she would. she knows full well if she hadn't acted as she did, her daughter would still be here. hell of a lesson to learn.
i applaud cheney for going against the party platform in that regard. honestly, i think it's about time many other moderate republicans started doing the same! past time really.