NYTHA Lasix Primer & Letter to NYS RWB

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Outstanding, I didn't think you had it in you. But, your answers are exactly what I expected. Unfortunately, they fly in the face of what is happening on the racetrack.

Only if someone is silly enough to attribute 100% of a horses performance to the capability of the alveolar-capillary interface and measurable VO2max.

Dang. That would be you.

Why do you attribute 100% of a horses performance to VO2max? That's beyond absurd. You're ignoring every single other thing that contributes to performance: glycogen storage, quantity of fast- vs. slow-twitch muscle fibers, cardiac output, oxygen unloading, training, conditioning, inflammation, ambient humidity and temperature, etc., etc., etc.

I rest my case.

Science isn't lawyering. Sorry.

In all seriousness:
1) Should American racing allow the continued use of race day therapeutic medications?
2) Is furosemide therapeutic?

The answer to #2 has clearly, beyond a doubt, been proven to be "yes". So it's up to American racing to answer #1.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

Only if someone is silly enough to attribute 100% of a horses performance to the capability of the alveolar-capillary interface and measurable VO2max.

Dang. That would be you.

Why do you attribute 100% of a horses performance to VO2max? That's beyond absurd.



Science isn't lawyering. Sorry.

You've given some weak answers, but this one takes the cake. You would have been better off not answering and just saying you fell asleep. At least your non-answer has basically admitted that the long term damage from EIPH really doesn't amount to much at all.

I'm going to get some sleep now, but tomorrow we'll work on the supposed fact that low levels of EIPH actually hinder performance. I'm sure you'll come around there too.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

You've given some weak answers, but this one takes the cake.

Nonsense. You are attributing 100% of performance changes in every American horse going to Europe or Australasia to VO2max, and that's patently absurd beyond measure.

I'm going to get some sleep now, but tomorrow we'll work on the supposed fact that low levels of EIPH actually hinder performance. I'm sure you'll come around there too.

Flippant may work with other folks that don't have a clue, but sorry. It's a fail here. Your "scientific" assertions are true bullshit. I suggest you go off, learn about EIPH and lasix, and come back when you have the basic facts mastered. Read the link provided would be a good lay person start.

Ignorance is threatening American racing. Stop contributing.

[Danzig]

back in the fray after a good nights sleep.

on the face of it, when one says 'horses shouldn't be given drugs to race' sounds like a good plan.

however, the drug in question prevents hemorraging (which gives no sign of when or how badly it will occur) and potential permanent damage depending on severity of the hemorrage, isn't harmful, according to studies has no masking qualities and isn't proven to improve performance. doesn't sound like such a bad thing when you look at all that, does it?
now, if you stop using lasix....you have horses at risk of bleeding, with no idea of when or how severe it will be, you have proven bleeders without the benefit of something shown to prevent the bleeding, which puts them at risk of permanent damage. the only benefit of stopping lasix that i can see is that you can then say there's no race day medication, while completely ignoring the benefits of the now-banned drug.
but i guess for bleeders they could withold food and water for 24-48 hours.
i suppose explaining the benefits of witholding the basic necessities of life rather than using a safe drug with proven benefits would sound infinitely more palatable to people?