NYTHA Lasix Primer & Letter to NYS RWB

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Not only that, but apparently most of the scientific evidence that validates the use of lasix comes from a single study (from 2009--took a while to prove, didn't it?) done under racing conditions in...wait for it...South Africa.

False. Completely false. Again, you are simply ignoring that which you do not want to hear. There are 127 studies on lasix in the race horse, including many in the US. In fact, I have posted several on the previous thread, that you have certainly seen.

So are you just ignoring that? Or did you forget it exists? Or are you deliberately misstating in the above paragraph? Because your statement is grossly factually untrue.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by Riot

False. Completely false. Again, you are simply ignoring that which you do not want to hear. There are 127 studies on lasix in the race horse, including many in the US. In fact, I have posted several on the previous thread, that you have certainly seen.

So are you just ignoring that? Or did you forget it exists? Or are you deliberately misstating in the above paragraph? Because your statement is grossly factually untrue.

From the same person who conducted the South African study in 2009, when reviewing EIPH in 2004:

The currently favored treatment for EIPH is administration of furosemide
before intense exercise....However, it should be borne in mind that neither the relationship between severity of EIPH and red cell count in bronchoalveolar lavage fluid nor the efficacy of furosemide in reducing severity of EIPH in racehorses in the field have been demonstrated. In fact, there is strong evidence that furosemide does not reduce the prevalence of EIPH and other evidence that it does not reduce the severity of EIPH under field conditions. The association between furosemide administration and superior performance in Standardbred and Thoroughbred racehorses should be considered when recommending use of this drug.

Level-headedness and an open mind when targeting a problem are good things.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Level-headedness and an open mind when targeting a problem are good things.

So does intellectual honesty, and not changing the subject to a straw man, as you just did. Let alone quoting sentences out of context.

So let's go back to what you are trying to avoid.

You said: " ... apparently most of the scientific evidence that validates the use of lasix comes from a single study (from 2009--took a while to prove, didn't it?) done under racing conditions in...wait for it...South Africa."

I said: That is false. Your statement is false. "most of the scientific evidence that validates the use of lasix" comes from multiple studies - 127, to be closer - done in multiple countries, the vast majority being America.

There are multiple studies - over a hundred - that validate the use of lasix in the race horse.
Most were done in America.
Some use laboratory science duplicating racing conditions. Some use actual race horses on the track in racing conditions.
The studies vary from as long as 50-60 years ago (the origins of lasix) to the explosion of knowledge in the 1990's.

Your statement is grossly, factually incorrect.

Please - stop making stuff about lasix up out of thin air. Stop making statements of 'fact' when you are ignorant of the extent of the topic. It adds nothing to the discussion.

If you are sincerely interested in finding out the truth of the effect of EIPH on performance, and lasix on EIPH, you've spent pages proving the opposite. Again: do you want science to tell you what your opinion of lasix and EIPH should be, or is your mind already made up about it?