DERBY/OAKS DAWN PATROL: (5/1) Valeski out, Optimizer in..

[Rootdog1]

Originally Posted by justindew

GOOD!!!!

Not looking so GOOD!!!!!!

Why does everyone in horse racing insist on using "well" instead of "good"????? The HRTV and TVG people do this all the time and it drives me up a god.damn wall.

It has to be the fact that you are supposed to say "I don't feel well" or "I didn't play well" as opposed to "I don't feel good" or "I didn't play good". But in the sense of describing how a horse looks, it is OK to say "he looks good."

Sounds like you are not feeling well. Did you get what I asking? sheeesh!

[Rootdog1]

You know what pisses me off? Your use punctuation. !!!!!!! and ?????? It is fine and well to just use one.

[slotdirt]

The Palm Meadows work seems disconcerting, but the track was messy. I will be looking forward to hearing Welsch's comments on him when the horse finally makes his way to Churchill.

[tywizard]

Is anyone else finding it impossible to construct a cost-effective tickets for tris and supers? I may limit to exactas and then try the Pick 3/4 with 4-5 of my top selections....

Steve - You mention looking over the past few Derby charts...I've looked at the past 10 PPs for the Derby and tried to compare relative to eventual outcome. I've noticed the following:

1. This group is unlike any group in the past 10 years....or any year that I can remember to be exact. Each of them seem to primed for a top performance.

2. I've posted this before elsewhere, the past five winners have been setup so that the Derby is third off the bench. With that in mind, this angle fits seven horses: Trinniberg, Done Talking, Daddy Nose Best, Sabercat, Dullahan, Gemologist and Union Rags.

Daddy Nose Best, Sabercat and Union Rags all appear to be training well at CD....Gemologist is undefeated and has two wins at the track...Dullahan seems plausible...Done Talking is logical underneath and Trinniberg is a toss.

I'm scared of Bodemiester not being on that list, but I'm thinking about using 5 of the seven above in the multi's.

Thoughts?

[booner]

Originally Posted by tywizard

Is anyone else finding it impossible to construct a cost-effective tickets for tris and supers? I may limit to exactas and then try the Pick 3/4 with 4-5 of my top selections....

Steve - You mention looking over the past few Derby charts...I've looked at the past 10 PPs for the Derby and tried to compare relative to eventual outcome. I've noticed the following:

1. This group is unlike any group in the past 10 years....or any year that I can remember to be exact. Each of them seem to primed for a top performance.

2. I've posted this before elsewhere, the past five winners have been setup so that the Derby is third off the bench. With that in mind, this angle fits seven horses: Trinniberg, Done Talking, Daddy Nose Best, Sabercat, Dullahan, Gemologist and Union Rags.

Daddy Nose Best, Sabercat and Union Rags all appear to be training well at CD....Gemologist is undefeated and has two wins at the track...Dullahan seems plausible...Done Talking is logical underneath and Trinniberg is a toss.

I'm scared of Bodemiester not being on that list, but I'm thinking about using 5 of the seven above in the multi's.

Thoughts?

I will not have Bodemeister on any of my tickets. He has progressed for 4 straight races; I think he is due to regress in the Derby, even though he did work lights out and looked good on Sunday.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by booner

I will not have Bodemeister on any of my tickets. He has progressed for 4 straight races; I think he is due to regress in the Derby, even though he did work lights out and looked good on Sunday.

I don't get this stance at all. . . especially considering the second half of what you said.

[booner]

I know it doesn't seem to make sense, hockey. But I just don't think he will run another big race. His last work made me want to reconsider, but I'm sticking by my first instinct. If he beats me, he beats me.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

I don't get this stance at all. . . especially considering the second half of what you said.

I want to be in love with him. I really do.

But the curse of Apollo lives strong. Just look at the laundry list of casualties listed in Saturday's DRF. Some really good names on the list. In the past 30 years alone, 28 starters, one 2nd (Strodes Creek in '94 with a weak field after Holy Bull's disastrous run) and two 3rds (the great Curlin and Reinvested in 1982- don't know anything about him.) Even the great Pulpit, long the fastest debut in Beyer history, could only manage 4th against a very deep field.

Trends are made to be broken- but this one at least has a physiological basis on why it hasn't. Keep this in mind on Saturday.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Rootdog1

You know what pisses me off? Your use punctuation. !!!!!!! and ?????? It is fine and well to just use one.

lol
i'm still hung up on IC saying a point was mute, but that's a personal problem.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Danzig

lol
i'm still hung up on IC saying a point was mute, but that's a personal problem.

If only all points were mute.