Kentucky's ongoing attempt to end racing in state proceeds..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

Does it really matter whether it is 1%, 2%, 5% or 6%? It is a very small number. Do you dispute that?

Yes, I do. You made that number up out of thin air and you have absolutely zero support for it. The truth is the majority of trainers use lasix in the morning, on days the horse will be asked for maximum speed, to prevent EIPH. It's common, it's good medical welfare of the horse practice, and it's why, during drug tests in some foreign countries, a far lower level of frusemide is permitted in the blood, than exists in the USA.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, I do. You made that number up out of thin air and you have absolutely zero support for it. The truth is the majority of trainers use lasix in the morning, on days the horse will be asked for maximum speed, to prevent EIPH. It's common, it's good medical welfare of the horse practice, and it's why, during drug tests in some foreign countries, a far lower level of frusemide is permitted in the blood, than exists in the USA.

You are making that up. You claim the majority of horses work on lasix in the morning? A majority means over 50%. You have absolutely zero evidence to support that. Even in the US, not even close to 50% of horses work on lasix. I get the vet bills on all of our horses from all different trainers. Most trainers don't work most of their horses on lasix. From reviewng the vet bills every month on over 100 horses over the last 5 years with 15 different trainers, I estimate around 15% of the horses work on lasix. Sure there are some trainers here that work practically all of their horses on lasix. But there are also plenty of trainers that practically never work their horses on lasix. In Eurpope, I would bet the number is much lower. Do you think the number in Europe is higher than in the US? There is no way.

[citycat]

I really dont care about what Europe does and who says what they do is best for the horse? They race about 6 months of the year and horses race about 6 times a year, mostly on grass.

Unless you have horses that race in Ky you are really missing the entire focus of this topic which is the very bad position a ban on Lasix would be if it is only in Ky.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You are making that up. You claim the majority of horses work on lasix in the morning? A majority means over 50%. You have absolutely zero evidence to support that. Even in the US, not even close to 50% of horses work on lasix. I get the vet bills on all of our horses from all different trainers. Most trainers don't work most of their horses on lasix. From reviewng the vet bills every month on over 100 horses over the last 5 years with 15 different trainers, I estimate around 15% of the horses work on lasix. Sure there are some trainers here that work practically all of their horses on lasix. But there are also plenty of trainers that practically never work their horses on lasix. In Eurpope, I would bet the number is much lower. Do you think the number in Europe is higher than in the US? There is no way.

European woman don't shave their armpits, body hair and god knows what is going on between their legs. Should American women do the same?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by pointman

European woman don't shave their armpits, body hair and god knows what is going on between their legs. Should American women do the same?

American women should do whatever the fugg they want in that regard.

[Riot]

worth the read:

http://www.theatlantic.com/entertain...racing/256621/

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

American women should do whatever the fugg they want in that regard.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You are making that up. You claim the majority of horses work on lasix in the morning? A majority means over 50%. You have absolutely zero evidence to support that. Even in the US, not even close to 50% of horses work on lasix. I get the vet bills on all of our horses from all different trainers. Most trainers don't work most of their horses on lasix. From reviewng the vet bills every month on over 100 horses over the last 5 years with 15 different trainers, I estimate around 15% of the horses work on lasix. Sure there are some trainers here that work practically all of their horses on lasix. But there are also plenty of trainers that practically never work their horses on lasix. In Eurpope, I would bet the number is much lower. Do you think the number in Europe is higher than in the US? There is no way.

You judge by your vet bills, I judge by the many trainers I see doing it, by knowing the vets that are giving the injections, by talking to the vets in other countries (just spent a conference day with three vets from Australia, and yes, we talked about horse racing and lasix), by what the veterinary industry knows about lasix use in the racing industry.

The unalienable truth is this: lasix is the most effective therapeutic drug we have to attenuate EIPH, and that medical help should not be taken away from the horse. Either in the morning, or in a race.

But most especially, the therapeutic value of lasix should not be used as a cheap straw man substitute for dealing with real drug problems in racing.