Kentucky's ongoing attempt to end racing in state proceeds..

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So all those diabetics that give themselves shots are druggies because they use a needle to treat their disease? Lasix comes in many forms including pills, would it make you feel better if we gave them pills? What difference does it make what delivery system you are using? We give electrolytes and fluids to horses using catheters and no one is against them.

Refusing to acknowledge that lasix is a preventative measure clouds your entire argument.

How are diabetics and horses that are given drugs to compete for millions and millions of dollars remotely comparable. That is just being ridiculous. Stick to sports, because after all, isn't that what horse racing is?

Again, in what other sport, anywhere, is nearly every competitor given drugs on the day of the race?

[Honu]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

How are diabetics and horses that are given drugs to compete for millions and millions of dollars remotely comparable. That is just being ridiculous. Stick to sports, because after all, isn't that what horse racing is?

Again, in what other sport, anywhere, is nearly every competitor given drugs on the day of the race?

Maybe not the day of the race but for sure day of the game. If you dont think humans are cortizoned and or blocked to play pro sports you havent been paying attention. Last year Ben Rothelisberger was blocked to play a playoff game and when it was delayed the sportscasters were even commenting about his pre-game injection wearing off too soon.
I will tell you we are experimenting with working some horses in our barn without lasix and scoping after to see if they are bleeding. I think that the reason is because my boss can see the writing on the wall, people who are not really involved on a daily basis with these athletes are going to try and dictate what can and cannot be done in regards to the well being of racers.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Honu

Maybe not the day of the race but for sure day of the game. If you dont think humans are cortizoned and or blocked to play pro sports you havent been paying attention. Last year Ben Rothelisberger was blocked to play a playoff game and when it was delayed the sportscasters were even commenting about his pre-game injection wearing off too soon.
I will tell you we are experimenting with working some horses in our barn without lasix and scoping after to see if they are bleeding. I think that the reason is because my boss can see the writing on the wall, people who are not really involved on a daily basis with these athletes are going to try and dictate what can and cannot be done in regards to the well being of racers.

For about the hundredth time, nobody says there are no drugs in sports. However, there are no sports where virtually ALL participant gets drugs on the day of the event.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

For about the hundredth time, nobody says there are no drugs in sports. However, there are no sports where virtually ALL participant gets drugs on the day of the event.

And you dont know that ....how could you? Are you in every locker room? Are you at every dog race? You dont know if athletes are taking 4 to 6 advil before they compete in every event. You dont know if they are hitting an over the counter inhaler to open up their lungs. Believe me if you dont think that pro athletes competing for their salaries arent making sure they do everything to make sure their performance is the best it can be then you surley believe all politicans care about you.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Honu

And you dont know that ....how could you? Are you in every locker room? Are you at every dog race? You dont know if athletes are taking 4 to 6 advil before they compete in every event. You dont know if they are hitting an over the counter inhaler to open up their lungs. Believe me if you dont think that pro athletes competing for their salaries arent making sure they do everything to make sure their performance is the best it can be then you surley believe all politicans care about you.

Yes, I do know it. Another being completely over the top to try to defend something that really can't be defended.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yes, I do know it. Another being completely over the top to try to defend something that really can't be defended.

You dont know it. You dont know what pro athletes take or dont take that is legal before they compete. Gambling on horses is no different than gambling on football or basketball at a sports book, and believe me you really think the coaches disclose what players had an injection prior to game time or who had a cortizone shot 5 days ago. Dude you really just dont know.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Honu

You dont know it. You dont know what pro athletes take or dont take that is legal before they compete. Gambling on horses is no different than gambling on football or basketball at a sports book, and believe me you really think the coaches disclose what players had an injection prior to game time or who had a cortizone shot 5 days ago. Dude you really just dont know.

And how exactly would you know what I know?

Even if I didn't, just for fun, I also know that 99% don't get drugs or injections before competing, even in football.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

How are diabetics and horses that are given drugs to compete for millions and millions of dollars remotely comparable. That is just being ridiculous. Stick to sports, because after all, isn't that what horse racing is?

Again, in what other sport, anywhere, is nearly every competitor given drugs on the day of the race?

You complained about needles, just pointing out millions of people arent so concerned about the use of a needle. Again what other sport reports anything that a participant is given?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You complained about needles, just pointing out millions of people arent so concerned about the use of a needle. Again what other sport reports anything that a participant is given?

What other sport directly makes money from gambling?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

What other sport directly makes money from gambling?

So all analogies to other sports are going to be off limits because of betting? It is an imperfect world in which we live in. Unfortunately there is no way to satisfy everyone and sometimes in trying to satisfy some of the people some of the time the unintended consequences prove fatal.

[cmorioles]

Isn't that the only reason the information is provided? No worries, I'm done with this. After reading the NYT and the work of some of your cohorts, you have much bigger issues than losing Lasix.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Isn't that the only reason the information is provided? No worries, I'm done with this. After reading the NYT and the work of some of your cohorts, you have much bigger issues than losing Lasix.

I believe that I have been saying this for awhile....

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I believe that I have been saying this for awhile....

That much is accurate.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

How are diabetics and horses that are given drugs to compete for millions and millions of dollars remotely comparable. That is just being ridiculous. Stick to sports, because after all, isn't that what horse racing is?

Again, in what other sport, anywhere, is nearly every competitor given drugs on the day of the race?

What other sport are the competitor's allowed to train on drugs that are banned on game day?

What other sport are players not allowed to use an injection to prevent their lungs from filling up with blood or any liquid substance?

Are IV's performance enhancers? Should althletes be banned from taking an IV during a game if they get dehydrated?