Kentucky's ongoing attempt to end racing in state proceeds..

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm curious to hear these reasons for using Lasix when a cheaper nasal strip that doesn't involve an injection and dehydration does just as well. This should be good.

Whoa, no - purposeful dehydration by withholding water is NOT the same as a lasix shot. The lasix shot is much milder, with far less possible side effects!

Seriously - can we leave the medical opinions to the medical professionals who advise the industry?

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Whoa, no - purposeful dehydration by withholding water is NOT the same as a lasix shot. The lasix shot is much milder, with far less possible side effects!

Seriously - can we leave the medical opinions to the medical professionals who advise the industry?

You misunderstood what he was saying. He didn't say that you should dehydrate a horse. He was asking why it wouldn't be better to use the strips considering the strips "don't" dehydrate a horse the way lasix does.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

You misunderstood what he was saying. He didn't say that you should dehydrate a horse. He was asking why it wouldn't be better to use the strips considering the strips "don't" dehydrate a horse the way lasix does.

Ah ... I thought he was talking about not giving lasix, plus going back to the purposeful dehydration of 36-48 hours duration of the past, which would "work as well".

Sorry, cmorioles!

The lasix injection given hardly dehydrates a horse at all. Again, only 0.5 to about 1.5%, which is tiny. Horses still sweat.

I now would like to hear those that think lasix should be eliminated, against the advice of racing veterinarians, to explain why that would be good for the horse, and good for the sport.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Riot

Ah ... I thought he was talking about not giving lasix, plus going back to the purposeful dehydration of 36-48 hours duration of the past, which would "work as well".

Sorry, cmorioles!

The lasix injection given hardly dehydrates a horse at all. Again, only 0.5 to about 1.5%, which is tiny. Horses still sweat.

I now would like to hear those that think lasix should be eliminated, against the advice of racing veterinarians, to explain why.

I weigh 220, I wouldn't want to lose over 3 pounds of water before I went out running.

Seriously, isn't the fact that a nasal strip can do just as good a job reason enough, especially since it is cheaper?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I weigh 220, I wouldn't want to lose over 3 pounds of water before I went out running.

I laughed

But don't you empty your bladder before you run, and ensure you haven't eaten a meal? Pretty much the same thing. I did 2 miles today, and I'll bet I lost half a percent in dehydration (sweating).

If a horse loses 1% of it's body weight to sweating/lasix, that's 4.5 kg, that's replaceable by a few buckets of water back in the barn over the few hours post-race.

Seriously, isn't the fact that a nasal strip can do just as good a job reason enough?

That's the first time I've ever heard that as a reason

More Joyous just won the Doncaster Mile, so goodnight.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

I laughed

But don't you empty your bladder before you run, and ensure you haven't eaten a meal? Pretty much the same thing. I did 2 miles today, and I'll bet I lost half a percent in dehydration (sweating).

If a horse loses 1% of it's body weight to sweating/lasix, that's 4.5 kg, that's replaceable by a few buckets of water back in the barn over the few hours post-race.



That's the first time I've ever heard that as a reason

How could you say that is the same thing? Having a full bladder has nothing to do with being hydrated. A person is no more dehydrated after taking a whiz than before taking a whiz. Lasix dehydrates you by making your fluids go into your bladder. The fluid leaving the bladder is not the part that dehydrates you.

Hey Cmorioles. Don't take a whiz before you go running. It will dehydrate you. LOL. Riot must think we are really stupid.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

How could you say that is the same thing?

The small dose of lasix given race horses barely dehydrates them.

I was trying to point out - very clumsily, it appears - a weight comparison type of thing of urine to volume - empty stomach and full bladder = 2 pounds in a big man. Replacing the water lost in one small dose of lasix in a race horse is a couple of buckets of water.

Horses still sweat with lasix. That means there's plenty of water there for cooling.

No bet on More Joyous, went off at only 7/5. What a terrific mare