Jones on HDG and weight

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

But isn't there a chance, that his hissy fit will pay off in the long run? Isn't it almost like a supply and demand type deal, where tracks will cave in to Porter's demand so HVG runs at their track? I'm not saying that she has the drawing power of Rachael or Zenyatta (West of the Rockies ), but you would think that it would be benificial to the track to have one todays stars run at their track. So while Oaklawn is being applauded for standing up to him, aren't they just cutting their nose to spite their face?

I think that the supposed benefit of having this particular filly run at your track would easily be off set by having a 4 horse field with her a 2-5 fav. The money they will lose in handle as opposed to a larger, more competitive field will probably be greater than the added attendance and extra hot dogs sold. IMO Oaklawn didn't stand up to him as much as Pope simply weighted the race fairly. If Mr Porter feels that the weights are unfair than he can just keep her in weight for age races and stakes run under allowance conditions however to act as though thse weights weren't accurately made is a joke. If anything she may have been assigned too little weight especially considering that many of the lower weighted horses would probably wind up with jocks who are a few pounds over anyway.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I think that the supposed benefit of having this particular filly run at your track would easily be off set by having a 4 horse field with her a 2-5 fav. The money they will lose in handle as opposed to a larger, more competitive field will probably be greater than the added attendance and extra hot dogs sold. IMO Oaklawn didn't stand up to him as much as Pope simply weighted the race fairly. If Mr Porter feels that the weights are unfair than he can just keep her in weight for age races and stakes run under allowance conditions however to act as though thse weights weren't accurately made is a joke. If anything she may have been assigned too little weight especially considering that many of the lower weighted horses would probably wind up with jocks who are a few pounds over anyway.

Amen. You know 123 is ridiculous for a HOY and 5yo mare. What weight should she be carrying? They deflate them so much these days. If she carried what's fair against her own sex in the Apple Blossom for instance, what does she go to post with? There needs to be a term for throwing your weight around over what they assign your horse. Name it after Bobby Frankel.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Merlinsky

Amen. You know 123 is ridiculous for a HOY and 5yo mare. What weight should she be carrying? They deflate them so much these days. If she carried what's fair against her own sex in the Apple Blossom for instance, what does she go to post with? There needs to be a term for throwing your weight around over what they assign your horse. Name it after Bobby Frankel.

oh, but that was just an arbitrary voter decision.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by Danzig

oh, but that was just an arbitrary voter decision.

Porter basically goes 'oh that was based on a voting contest, and doesn't account for what happened on the track.' Wha-huh? If we were voting for the horse we liked the most, and it didn't matter what their racetrack accomplishments were, heck, let's start taking nominations and do a re-vote. I think we'd get a pretty fun group of HOY finalists from that. Come one, come all. Optional claimers with a great personality, a pretty blaze, whatever, you're eligible!...let's do this!

[TouchOfGrey]

The real reason Havre de Grace is skipping the Apple Blossom

[3kings]

Harve de Grace retired according to twitter from Fox hill farms.

[TouchOfGrey]

Originally Posted by 3kings

Harve de Grace retired according to twitter from Fox hill farms.

WTF?