A Case of Why WI Voters Should Show ID

[Danzig]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help_America_Vote_Act


Voter identification

HAVA requires any voter who registered by mail and who has not previously voted in a federal election to show current and valid photo identification or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter. Voters who submitted any of these forms of identification during registration are exempt, as are voters entitled to vote by absentee ballot under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act.


voters have to show i.d. to register. so obviously all registered voters have id. so why is it so hard for them to produce said i.d. on election day??????

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

voters have to show i.d. to register. so obviously all registered voters have id. so why is it so hard for them to produce said i.d. on election day??????

The point not voters having ID, it is that the requirement to have a photo ID at the polls unfairly, against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Acts Law of 1965, impacts certain segments of the population; rather than all the population equally.

How many Americans denied their right to vote is too many? Answer: ONE

NASHVILLE, TN (WRCB) -- Former Congressman Lincoln Davis filed a class action lawsuit Monday in the United States District Court for the Middle District of Tennessee to challenge the actions taken by Tennessee state government officials to unlawfully purge voters from the state's voting rolls.

On March 6, Congressman Davis attempted to vote at the same precinct in Pall Mall, Tennessee where he has voted since 1995. Instead of casting his ballot, Congressman Davis was told that he could not vote because his name no longer appeared on the voter rolls. As a result, Congressman Davis was denied the right to vote, a right he has exercised in every election since 1964

http://www.wrcbtv.com/story/17136837...-voting-rights

Retired US Marine Tim Thompson walked into his neighboring polling place on Super Tuesday, but once inside he faced exactly what he feared: even with a voter registration card — and a career serving his country — he wasn't allowed to vote.

Thompson, 55, had a feeling this would happen. In his home state of Tennessee, a Republican-majority legislature recently saw to it that a new law made it all the way to Governor Bill Haslam’s desk — where the state’s top politician extended his seal of approval to a controversial bill that has Thompson and others riled up. Under Tennessee's new Voter ID legislation, only certain, state-issued identification cards count inside polling centers on Election Day.

In the State of Tennessee, it takes a driver’s license, passport, government-issued ID or gun permit card to cast a vote. College students looking to are even denied that right by offering just identification from a state school. Instead it takes a gun license or other, often difficult to obtain identification card to give them that right.

http://rt.com/usa/news/vote-tennesse...n-veteran-073/

Dorothy Cooper is a 96-year-old black woman who lives in Chattanooga,Tennessee. She was recently denied a voter identification card because she didn’t have her marriage certificate available — the same card that’s required by the state to vote. This coming election may be the first one she misses in 50 years.

http://colorlines.com/archives/2011/...riage_lic.html

[Antitrust32]

so what your saying is that not all americans have equal access to getting an ID?

I never heard of an American turned away from getting some sort of photo ID in this day of age.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

so what your saying is that not all americans have equal access to getting an ID?

I never heard of an American turned away from getting some sort of photo ID in this day of age.

so, they have access to id when they register, but not when they actually go to vote?



and i thank you for not quoting, greatly appreciated!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

so what your saying is that not all americans have equal access to getting an ID?

I never heard of an American turned away from getting some sort of photo ID in this day of age.

Read the story about the 96-year-old woman I posted. Many people over 50 have had birth and marriage records lost or unavailable.

[Riot]

Will one of the proponents of implementing voting photo ID's please list all the cases of voter fraud, in the past 40-50 years, where a photo ID at the poll would have prevented fraud?

We'll wait.

In other words: before making voting harder for everyone, at least show there is a problem.

[bigrun]

Yeah, how about all those dead people in Chicago that voted for Obama?
Isn't that voter fraud?...Or doesn't it matter if you are dead?...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

Yeah, how about all those dead people in Chicago that voted for Obama?
Isn't that voter fraud?...Or doesn't it matter if you are dead?...

Good grief. There is so much published on "voter fraud", one just has to google it, to see it is virtually non-existent nowadays.

And the fraud that is there is usually due to poll workers, NOT people pretending to be who they are not voting.

The Southern Strategy lives, as does Voter Disinfranchisement. The ultra-cons hated the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Civil Rights Act of 1964, and they are still fighting it.

Best tweet of the day Saturday:

"Democrats, don't forget to set your clocks forward an hour tonight. Republicans, don't forget to set your clocks back 200 years."

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Will one of the proponents of implementing voting photo ID's please list all the cases of voter fraud, in the past 40-50 years, where a photo ID at the poll would have prevented fraud?

We'll wait.

In other words: before making voting harder for everyone, at least show there is a problem.

How do you know for sure that the person that voted was actually that person if they do not show an ID? If I go into a city and I know a person's name and address I could actually cast a vote as that person if they were a registered voter. For instance what if I look thru the death notices the week prior then find that persons name and address (easily done with the internet) I could go vote as that person and only if the polling person knew that person would it be an issue at the polling place.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

How do you know for sure that the person that voted was actually that person if they do not show an ID? If I go into a city and I know a person's name and address I could actually cast a vote as that person if they were a registered voter. For instance what if I look thru the death notices the week prior then find that persons name and address (easily done with the internet) I could go vote as that person and only if the polling person knew that person would it be an issue at the polling place.

You should be thrilled the second judge permanently overturned the Wisconsin Voter ID law today.

It will enable blaming cries of "voter fraud!" to continue unchecked if the recall election doesn't come out the way the Republicans hope.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by wiphan

How do you know for sure that the person that voted was actually that person if they do not show an ID? If I go into a city and I know a person's name and address I could actually cast a vote as that person if they were a registered voter. For instance what if I look thru the death notices the week prior then find that persons name and address (easily done with the internet) I could go vote as that person and only if the polling person knew that person would it be an issue at the polling place.

i wonder if obama checked i.d. before they killed that us citizen in yemen? wonder how that all stands constitutionally??

[Antitrust32]

I think the reasons against the voter ID law is much more discriminatory than the actual voter ID law.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I think the reasons against the voter ID law is much more discriminatory than the actual voter ID law.

the issue democrats have with the law isn't that it's discriminatory...it's that they feel it would hinder their supporters. which makes you wonder who some of their supporters are. it's got nothing to do with constitutionality, obviously they don't care about that ol' piece of paper.

almost 500 views on this thread, about 1/3 that many on the u.s. can kill it's own thread. but this issue is so much more important, especially since the other doesn't exactly paint dem. politicians in a good light.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the issue democrats have with the law isn't that it's discriminatory...it's that they feel it would hinder their supporters. which makes you wonder who some of their supporters are.

Seriously? You are actually trying to diss "who some of their supporters are"? You say the Dems don't care about Constitutionality?

Yeah: Dems supporters tend to be the poor, the elderly, and people of color. So what? It's not like the GOP ever embraces those folks. Exactly who the GOP wants to disinfranchise. And why some voter ID laws are being found unconstitutional. Because in America, you can't disinfranchise only certain segments of the population unfairly.

And yeah, that is exactly discriminatory.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Seriously? You are actually trying to diss "who some of their supporters are"? You say the Dems don't care about Constitutionality?

Yeah: Dems supporters tend to be the poor, the elderly, and people of color. So what? It's not like the GOP ever embraces those folks. Exactly who the GOP wants to disinfranchise. And why some voter ID laws are being found unconstitutional. Because in America, you can't disinfranchise only certain segments of the population unfairly.

And yeah, that is exactly discriminatory.

Why wouldn't the democrats spend their time, money and efforts in helping this so called group of disenfranchised voters obtain an ID instead of spending all their time, money, etc fighting it. Wouldn't that actually make sense? Government provides free state IDs to those who need it. Why not set up free state ID day, etc. and set up places all across the state to obtain an ID for any who need them

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

HAVA requires any voter who registered by mail and who has not previously voted in a federal election to show current and valid photo identification or a copy of a current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter. Voters who submitted any of these forms of identification during registration are exempt, as are voters entitled to vote by absentee ballot under the Uniformed and Overseas Citizens Absentee Voting Act.


voters have to show i.d. to register. so obviously all registered voters have id. so why is it so hard for them to produce said i.d. on election day??????

Because the new restrictive voter ID laws say that on election day, voters are not allowed to vote with a copy of current utility bill, bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document that shows the name and address of the voter.

Even if a poll worker recognizes, you, and knows you, and knows where you live, you cannot vote without your photo ID in some of these states. That is simply WRONG, to require more stringent requirements to vote on election day, than it takes to register to vote. That's absurd. And discriminatory.