Super Tuesday

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i don't know whether to laugh or cry after reading this



I guess laugh, because I find it hilarious how some people can LOVE Obama and absolutely HATE Bush when they have had the EXACT SAME Presidentcies!

Oh, I laugh and/or cry when I read your political assessements, too

No, not "exactly" the same, but yes, certainly some things Obama is the same (or even more "Bushian") than Bush.

Not all people look at politics as starkly black and white, "my team vs your team" manner. That's what is destroying this country, and why our current Congress is useless. Too much polarization.

There's plenty I don't like about Obama, but far more I do like - a lot. But to think he's the same as Santorum, Gingrich or Romney is not true in the least. All three of those guys have "typical GOP" financial plans and platforms that would repeat the Bush financial disaster, throwing our country into massively deeper debt.

Santorum is just a religious zealot who has no place in the current political discourse (he couldn't even get on the ballot in some Ohio counties, he's so disorganized in his "run for President"): see Howard Finemans "The Republican Party is the first American Religious Party" editorial of a day or so ago.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Oh, I laugh and/or cry when I read your political assessements, too

No, not "exactly" the same, but yes, certainly some things Obama is the same (or even more "Bushian") than Bush.

Not all people look at politics as starkly black and white, "my team vs your team" manner. That's what is destroying this country, and why our current Congress is useless. Too much polarization.

There's plenty I don't like about Obama, but far more I do like - a lot. But to think he's the same as Santorum, Gingrich or Romney is not true in the least. All three of those guys have "typical GOP" financial plans and platforms that would repeat the Bush financial disaster, throwing our country into massively deeper debt.

Santorum is just a religious zealot who has no place in the current political discourse (he couldn't even get on the ballot in some Ohio counties, he's so disorganized in his "run for President"): see Howard Finemans "The Republican Party is the first American Religious Party" editorial of a day or so ago.

Thats again funny.. because, outside of maybe Joey you are the biggest home team supporter out there. What color are your glasses?

Our country is in the same crappy state as it was when Bush left. Worse, actually because we are much more in debt.

I just don't understand how you believe half the things you say.

At least there are plenty of objective people on this board, who understand that Dems AND repubs do not have America's best interest in mind.

I have conservative political leanings, but I barely support a party. Both parties make me gag.

Go to the bottom line. The one with unfunded liabilities.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Spin your way out of that one, Broom-hilda. Keep pushing for more government, you complete and utter imbecile.

Lower than amoeba.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Go to the bottom line. The one with unfunded liabilities.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Spin your way out of that one, Broom-hilda. Keep pushing for more government, you complete and utter imbecile.

Lower than amoeba.

my yearly pay was just spent in two seconds.

[Antitrust32]

check that.

I wish I made what the govn't spends in two seconds.

[Antitrust32]

the US Unfunded Liabilities line goes up 1 million dollars every 8 seconds.


ok this chart is officially depressing me.

I'm depressed being duped into refuting this stupid piece of s.hit. She ruins this sub-forum with her brain-dead tripe.

[bigrun]

I am not one to write letters to the editor but if i did it would be pretty much word for word on this one...

George W. Bush — worst president in our lifetime

Editor, Times-Dispatch:

In response to Calvin's letter, "Obama's re-election is larger concern than spills": Was Calvin not alive during the administration of George W. Bush? His presidency was many times more dangerous than Obama's.

Bush gave us two unnecessary wars, an unfunded drug program (remember the doughnut hole?), loss of liberty (the so-called Patriot Act), torture (waterboarding and a vice president who said it was OK), and he topped it all off with a tax cut for the wealthy that left us unable to pay our bills. He managed to take a multi-billion-dollar surplus and turn it into a multi-trillion-dollar deficit. Then he handed the whole mess to President Obama to fix.

While I go back to Truman, one has only to go back only four years to find the worst and most dangerous president we have had in our lifetime: George W. Bush.

Obama can take that ignoble title after his 2nd term is over but only if he starts an unnecessary war...

Debt in 2016. I don't see anything of note being balanced. Guess you'll just have to take pond scums word for it.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/cbo-omb-g...estimates.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by bigrun

I am not one to write letters to the editor but if i did it would be pretty much word for word on this one...

Don't forget alot of the Bush disaster was Karl Rove and Dick Cheney.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Riot

Don't forget alot of the Bush disaster was Karl Rove and Dick Cheney.

and the rest of rogue's gallery...


Paul Wolfowitz
Rumsfeld
Elliot Abrams
Scooter Libby
Richard Perle
Doug Feist

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by bigrun

I am not one to write letters to the editor but if i did it would be pretty much word for word on this one...




Obama can take that ignoble title after his 2nd term is over but only if he starts an unnecessary war...

except that the tax cuts have been continued, as has the patriotic act...continued with no changes. gitmo, still there. you think they stopped waterboarding?
and one of the two wars still shows no signs of ending, or abating.
i agree with lori, i don't see much change in the last few years...other than adding to the future debt of this country with ppuca.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

except that the tax cuts have been continued, as has the patriotic act...continued with no changes.

Sen. Chuck Schumer, who is in charge of Dem party messaging, wants to vote on the Bush Tax cut extensions before the November election. He's banking on the overwhelming public policy polling support for expiration.

And the ACA does not "add to future debt". That's simply false. It's self-paid, deficit neutral, and even the GOP acknowledges that. Aside from the independent CBO.

If you've seen "no changes" in this country over the past three years, you simply haven't been paying attention.

[Riot]

Tried to post a table, couldn't do it with formatting.

Constantly updated results here, top of page http://www.dailykos.com/

[Riot]

Holy crap - if Santorum wins Ohio, Romney is toast ...

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Thats again funny.. because, outside of maybe Joey you are the biggest home team supporter out there. What color are your glasses?

Unlike Joey's, mine are clear. Yes, I voted for Obama, because McCain chose Palin as a VP. Obama has turned out far better than I expected. I'm quite happy with him overall, and will definitely vote for him again this fall.

More important are the downticket races - that's the only thing that can correct this country and the horror that is the current Congress. That's where my money and support will be going nationally.

[Riot]

Just announced: Gingrich has won Georgia. Romney leading in VA (only against Ron Paul, other candidates were not organized enough to get on ballot - duh) and Romney leading in Vermont.

Nate Silver 538 Predictions with comment from Jed Lewison:

Ultimately, Super Tuesday is like any other primary night: each campaign's goal is to amass delegates. By that metric, Mitt Romney appears on track to have a fairly good night. According to Nate Silver's latest projection, the most likely outcome tonight is that Mitt Romney ends up with 224 delegates on the night—51 percent of those available, followed by Newt Gingrich with 20 percent and Rick Santorum with 17 percent, and the rest going to Ron Paul and uncommitted.

That would be a good result for Mitt Romney's primary campaign, but mostly because the rest of the field is divided. In 2008, as Nate Silver points out, John McCain actually did much better than Romney's projected 51 percent, taking just shy of 63 percent of the delegates in play.

That suggests that while Romney is likely to be the clear winner tonight, he's going to need something closer to John McCain-type numbers to be able to claim he's effectively ended the campaign. It might be obvious to uninvolved observers that things are over if he's at 51 percent, but his rivals are unlikely to think things are over until he gets himself on track to start taking a super majority of delegates at stake.