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Old 03-01-2012, 11:43 AM
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And by the way, nobody dies of "natural causes" at 43 years of age. The autopsy will be enlightening.
people younger than him have died and it be ruled natural causes. he may well have had an illness that no one knew about and it killed him. i worked with a lady who wasn't 40 yet and suffered a stroke. it's rare at younger ages, but it does happen.

just because the guy said things people didn't like doesn't mean it was a kgb/ussr 'heart attack'. nor does it mean he deserved death or that karma had it out for him. hitler and stalin living longer lives certainly bears that out.
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:14 PM
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people younger than him have died and it be ruled natural causes. he may well have had an illness that no one knew about and it killed him. i worked with a lady who wasn't 40 yet and suffered a stroke. it's rare at younger ages, but it does happen.

just because the guy said things people didn't like doesn't mean it was a kgb/ussr 'heart attack'. nor does it mean he deserved death or that karma had it out for him. hitler and stalin living longer lives certainly bears that out.
A stoke or a heart attack isn't "natural cause"; it's a stroke or a heart attack. Dying of a life shortening, pre-existing condition isn't natural cause either.

Natural causes is when you just die, typically due to the infirmaties of old age, but your body can just give out. Had a Staff Sgt in the Marine Corps who just keeled over one day - no distress; no heart failure; just died. natural causes - he was 60. That is extremely rare; 43 is unheard of.
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:18 PM
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A stoke or a heart attack isn't "natural cause"; it's a stroke or a heart attack. Dying of a life shortening, pre-existing condition isn't natural cause either.

Natural causes is when you just die, typically due to the infirmaties of old age, but your body can just give out. Had a Staff Sgt in the Marine Corps who just keeled over one day - no distress; no heart failure; just died. natural causes - he was 60. That is extremely rare; 43 is unheard of.
I would bet that heart attack death would be classified as natural causes. once the autopsy is finished, maybe they would just say heart attack instead of natural causes. But it wasnt a car wreck, or gunshot, or a cancer death, so I can understand the label of "natural causes"
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:38 PM
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RIP. I was certainly not a fan of the guy. Last seen by me making a total drunken ASS of himself yelling at Occupiers to " Behave yourselves" and other drivel as they dragged his drunken ass away! The guy was bad news, and epitome of liar journalism ( see the Fixed News Network for definition) gave bloggers a bad name IMO! Maybe the booze did him in. Maybe we find out in a few weeks.
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Old 03-01-2012, 02:21 PM
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RIP. I was certainly not a fan of the guy. Last seen by me making a total drunken ASS of himself yelling at Occupiers to " Behave yourselves" and other drivel as they dragged his drunken ass away! The guy was bad news, and epitome of liar journalism ( see the Fixed News Network for definition) gave bloggers a bad name IMO! Maybe the booze did him in. Maybe we find out in a few weeks.
Ditto. That video shows a hate and anger that permeated his life and work. He's destroyed reputations and lives by his lies, and currently was facing a lawsuit regarding his lying and destroying Shirley Sherrod's reputation, causing her to lose her job.

Here's the thread of him screaming drunkenly and angrily at Occupy protesters at CPAC recently:
http://www.derbytrail.com/forums/showthread.php?t=45570

43 is young. Condolences to his family and friends.
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Old 03-01-2012, 12:24 PM
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A stoke or a heart attack isn't "natural cause"; it's a stroke or a heart attack. Dying of a life shortening, pre-existing condition isn't natural cause either.

Natural causes is when you just die, typically due to the infirmaties of old age, but your body can just give out. Had a Staff Sgt in the Marine Corps who just keeled over one day - no distress; no heart failure; just died. natural causes - he was 60. That is extremely rare; 43 is unheard of.
but i think it is natural causes. it's not unnatural, it's not criminal. it's not normal, but it wasn't an occurrence caused by something.




edit~ just googled it:

A death by natural causes, as recorded by coroners and on death certificates and associated documents, is one that is primarily attributed to natural agents: usually an illness or an internal malfunction of the body. For example, a person dying from complications from influenza (an infection) or a heart attack (an internal body malfunction) would be listed as having died of natural causes. Old age is not a scientifically recognized cause of death; there is always a more direct cause although it may be unknown in certain cases and could be one of a number of aging-associated diseases.

In contrast, death caused by active intervention is called unnatural death. The "unnatural" causes are usually given as accident (implying no unreasonable voluntary risk), misadventure (accident following a wilful and dangerous risk), suicide, or homicide.[1] In some settings, other categories may be added. For example, a prison may track the deaths of inmates due to acute intoxication separately.[2]
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but i think it is natural causes. it's not unnatural, it's not criminal. it's not normal, but it wasn't an occurrence caused by something.




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A death by natural causes, as recorded by coroners and on death certificates and associated documents, is one that is primarily attributed to natural agents: usually an illness or an internal malfunction of the body. For example, a person dying from complications from influenza (an infection) or a heart attack (an internal body malfunction) would be listed as having died of natural causes. Old age is not a scientifically recognized cause of death; there is always a more direct cause although it may be unknown in certain cases and could be one of a number of aging-associated diseases.

In contrast, death caused by active intervention is called unnatural death. The "unnatural" causes are usually given as accident (implying no unreasonable voluntary risk), misadventure (accident following a wilful and dangerous risk), suicide, or homicide.[1] In some settings, other categories may be added. For example, a prison may track the deaths of inmates due to acute intoxication separately.[2]

Thanks for clearing that up...
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