Over 1 Million signatures obtained to recall WI Gov. Scott Walker

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Hey Sean..That is a tea party group though..just sayin

I agree, but the media here says 1 million signatures and makes a huge deal about it. It isn't 1 million signatures and a lot of there is some fraud. If there is 800k signatures report that. What this proves is the recall system is broken. I can claim that I am a 6 handicap in golf, but if I shoot 95 every time does it matter what I claim? I just wish there would be more responsible journalism on both sides.

Don't you think this makes a good case for requiring photo ID to vote?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I agree, but the media here says 1 million signatures and makes a huge deal about it. It isn't 1 million signatures and a lot of there is some fraud.

Well, no Stop saying that when it can't be proven. It's an absurd and completely unproven contention. The only "fraud" that can be claimed is actual signatures disallowed by GAB.

If signatures are fraudulent, Walker simply has to submit which ones are fraud to have them removed. It's easy, it's quick. He's not. Why? The signatures are even available on the internet for everyone to see. He doesn't even have to do his own work. Why isn't he complaining? They are not fraudulent and he knows it.

And for him to claim they are, and have that disproven publicly, takes away the false complaint that "they are fraudulent signatures" that you are making right now. Walker wants people to mistakenly think those million signatures are false. He can't prove it, but to try and prove it would prove nothing but he's wrong. Better he continues to whine about imaginary problems, than be proven his whining is false.

Walker isn't contesting the signatures, because they are not fraud, and he knows it. He's up against the John Doe investigation, and the recall, at the same time. He's desperately trying to find options (some think he may resign, put his Lt. in charge, then tie up the recall election in court, trying to keep Republican control of Governorship and Senate), and force the recall to go forward quickly.

Walker tried to legally force the GAB to check signatures, and the court agreed. That's why they are being entered by GAB into a cross-referenced database, and checked, at huge expense.

Walker tried to allow outside people to "check signatures", and the courts told him to stick it.

Now Walker is whining there isn't enough time for him to check signatures. What nonsense. The people submitting the signatures already crosschecked them, and in half the time Walker claims he needs.

Outside groups sending postcards to the wrong person or wrong addresses, then claiming "fraud" when the postcard is returned to them, is laughable.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Well, no Stop saying that when it can't be proven. It's an absurd and completely unproven contention.

If signatures are fraudulent, Walker simply has to submit which ones are fraud to have them removed. He's not. Why? They are not fraudulent.

Walker isn't contesting the signatures, because they are not fraud, and he knows it.

Walker tried to legally force the GAB to check signatures, and the court agreed. That's why they are being entered by GAB into a cross-referenced database, and checked, at huge expense.

Walker tried to allow outside people to "check signatures", and the courts told him to stick it.

Now Walker is whining there isn't enough time for him to check signatures. What nonsense. The people submitting the signatures already crosschecked them, and in half the time Walker claims he needs.

Outside groups sending postcards to the wrong person or wrong addresses, then claiming "fraud" when the postcard is returned to them, is laughable.

you need help. Walker is not challenging signatures because there most likely ARE enough valid signatures to support the recall election. You of course missed the point AGAIN!

IF YOU CLAIM you have 1 million plus signatures and you only have around 800k then you are lying to the public and the media. There are fraudlent, duplicate, illegal signatures on the recall petitions. You know it and there is proof of a lot of this out there for you to see for yourself. Is there enough invalid, illegal signatures that the GAB would actually throw out the recall most likely NO. Democrats better hope they don't lose the recall election because if Walker wins again they are done! Fortunately voters are going to be disenfranchised in the recall election and actually have to show a photo ID to vote so Walker already has an advantage

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

you need help. Walker is not challenging signatures because there most likely ARE enough valid signatures to support the recall election. You of course missed the point AGAIN!

And you miss the point, that your claims of fraud regarding up to half the signatures in excess of what are needed is simply howling in the wind, unproven allegation.

here are fraudlent, duplicate, illegal signatures on the recall petitions. You know it and there is proof of a lot of this out there for you to see for yourself.

Nonsense. I know there is NOT massive fraud on those petitions. I know that those very signatures are public, have been for two months now, and if there WERE so many "fraudulent, duplicate, illegal" signature, the percentage, and the actual signatures, would be listed by Walker and minions.

Even if the percentage were only 5%, or the 18% normally expected in any recall election, Walker and minions would factually list what they have found: that 5%, 10%, or even 20% of the signatures have been found fraudulent. Even if it's not enough to halt the recall election.

It's not there. They are not listing it, because it's not there, except in the internet conspiracy theories the Walker minions are desperately hanging on to. So stop pretending it is.

Those signatures were already triple checked before submission. At best, the error rate would be 2-5%. Walker knows that.

So you and the other angry Walker supporters pretending that up to 50% are fraud is simply ridiculous and without fact. But it makes a good victim story. For Walker to prove that only less than 5% of the signatures are (not fraud, but disallowable) ruins that story. That's why he's not done it.

Fortunately voters are going to be disenfranchised in the recall election and actually have to show a photo ID to vote so Walker already has an advantage

Wow. You are not even saying that as a joke, are you?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

And you miss the point, that your claims of fraud regarding up to half the signatures in excess of what are needed is simply howling in the wind, unproven allegation.



Nonsense. I know that those very signatures are public, have been for two months now, and if there WERE so many "fraudulent, duplicate, illegal" signature, the percentage, and the actual signatures, would be listed by Walker and minions.

Even if the percentage were only 5%, or the 18% normally expected in any recall election, Walker and minions would factually list what they have found: that 5%, 10%, or even 20% of the signatures have been found fraudulent. Even if it's not enough to halt the recall election.

It's not there. They are not listing it, because it's not there, except in the internet conspiracy theories the Walker minions are desperately hanging on to. So stop pretending it is.

Those signatures were already triple checked before submission. At best, the error rate would be 2-5%. Walker knows that.



Wow. You are not even saying that as a joke, are you?

If the signatures were triple checked before submission how come they can't actually count how many signatures were actually submitted? Were a million signatures submitted? or was it slightly less (20%) than 1 million?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

If the signatures were triple checked before submission how come they can't actually count how many signatures were actually submitted?

That's not true

Do you just pull this made-up stuff out of thin air?

[Antitrust32]

wiphan,

it's pointless to keep trying...

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's not true

Do you just pull this made-up stuff out of thin air?

So how about if there are 1 million plus signatures submitted I will not post in politics for 30 days. If there are less than 1 million signatures you can't post in politics for 30 days. Deal? The number of signatures to be determined by the GAB