Religious Freedomz in the USA

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

This claiming that covering preventative health care, including contraception, interferes with an employer's religious freedom is bullsh*t. .

Then is the claim of conscientious objector bullsh*t?

Until indentured slavery is brought back one has the freedom to choose one's employer.

Besides who would want to work for a bullsh*t employer anyway?

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Then is the claim of conscientious objector bullsh*t?

Yes, they can't petition the federal government and state they want zero of their tax dollars going to the US war machine. They simply can't do that. For me it's a bit scary as someone who needs drugs to continue to live like me that religions can start getting into the business of determining which USDA approved drugs are allowed to be insured. That's heading down a path you really don't want to go down. But really we are already there as the "death Panels" thing was hilarious. They have been there forever always. Called Health Insurance Companies. Medical Bankruptcy is a uniquely American thing.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Until indentured slavery is brought back one has the freedom to choose one's employer.

Well, I'm not sure this is entirely true. I have what is known as a pre-existing condition and without drugs I would die within a year. I am very lucky right now to have medical coverage through my employment so I can still feed my kids. Without coverage I would go broke. Although the ACA is rancid horse crap and not single payer which is the ONLY logical option, the ACA did mention something about continued coverage for "pre-existing" conditions so as rancid as it is it is maybe a hair better than the rancidness currently in place. No one is required to cover my "pre-existing" condition I believe. So to say I have 35 million employment opportunities to find coverage I need isn't really being honest...keeping health care coverage is the new indentured slavery so to speak...it's a matter of life and death for me. For profit health insurance companies need to be vaporized completely. It's a sad situation.

(in the real world, the "employer" chooses you, not vice versa as you stated. you don't walk into a business and state, "I'm starting work here tomorrow at 8 am and here is how much you are paying me." Normally you have to apply for a job, go through an interview process, and the employer makes his/her choice. You only have the freedom to choose where you apply, you have to get chosen.)

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

Well, I'm not sure this is entirely true. I have what is known as a pre-existing condition and without drugs I would die within a year. I am very lucky right now to have medical coverage through my employment so I can still feed my kids. Without coverage I would go broke. Although the ACA is rancid horse crap and not single payer which is the ONLY logical option, the ACA did mention something about continued coverage for "pre-existing" conditions so as rancid as it is it is maybe a hair better than the rancidness currently in place. No one is required to cover my "pre-existing" coverage I believe. So to say I have 35 million employment opportunities to find coverage I need isn't really being honest...keeping health care coverage is the new indentured slavery so to speak...it's a matter of life and death for me. For profit health insurance companies need to be vaporized completely. It's a sad situation.

And replaced by what? Government run healthcare? They cannot even handle the mail correctly.

[horseofcourse]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

And replaced by what? Government run healthcare? They cannot even handle the mail correctly.

I tend to disagree. The mail service has been 100 percent accurate in my lifetime getting my payments of bills to large corporations. I mean 100 percent, zero have failed to make it there. They've all been cashed. In turn also 100 percent accuracy getting the bills from large corporations to me. Mom gets her Christmas package every single year...100 percent accuracy. Unbelievably good getting stuff from point A to pont B and they go places privatized places don't go. they may not make any money and lose a ton, but they handle the mail 100 percent correctly in my opinion. I view mail as the stuff that needs to get from point A to point B. Others may take a different view of it. So that is fine. By my perspective, they do what they do quite well.

Absolutely government run health care. It would end up way cheaper in the long run. Medicare for all.

[horseofcourse]

IN essence clip clop what is usually being promoted by old men or being spewed in the media is usually 100 percent false. When Catholic Bishops in America start whining about "religious freedom" being taken away, you can be assured the complete opposite is true. What the law actually does is allow for more "religious freedom". AS a result of this law, what percent of catholics in AMerica would be prohibited from devoutly following their religious doctrine as defined by the Vatican or US Conference of Catholic Bishops? the answer to that question is easy, zero percent. Every single catholic in America can follow their religion 100 percent devoutly as a result of this law. And that in turn is what infuriates the bishops so much. They know this. It also simply allows for the "religious freedom" of the thousands upon thousands of non-catholics hired by the catholic institutions operating in the public shpere to be taken into account. It allows for a poor non-catholic woman to get some financial relief for trying to avoid the pure evil of abortion which she has heard from these bishops all her life. This controversy is simply a scam of epic proportions. Catholic institutions providing "religious" services only are certainly exempt from this law.

Also with the media now incessantly pounding the "IRan threat" 24-7, you know exactly the opposite is true. Iran is zero threat to this country.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

IN essence clip clop what is usually being promoted by old men or being spewed in the media is usually 100 percent false. When Catholic Bishops in America start whining about "religious freedom" being taken away, you can be assured the complete opposite is true. What the law actually does is allow for more "religious freedom". AS a result of this law, what percent of catholics in AMerica would be prohibited from devoutly following their religious doctrine as defined by the Vatican or US Conference of Catholic Bishops? the answer to that question is easy, zero percent. Every single catholic in America can follow their religion 100 percent devoutly as a result of this law. And that in turn is what infuriates the bishops so much. They know this. It also simply allows for the "religious freedom" of the thousands upon thousands of non-catholics hired by the catholic institutions operating in the public shpere to be taken into account. It allows for a poor non-catholic woman to get some financial relief for trying to avoid the pure evil of abortion which she has heard from these bishops all her life. This controversy is simply a scam of epic proportions. Catholic institutions providing "religious" services only are certainly exempt from this law.

Also with the media now incessantly pounding the "IRan threat" 24-7, you know exactly the opposite is true. Iran is zero threat to this country.

Ocala Mike

[Riot]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

IN essence clip clop what is usually being promoted by old men or being spewed in the media is usually 100 percent false. When Catholic Bishops in America start whining about "religious freedom" being taken away, you can be assured the complete opposite is true. What the law actually does is allow for more "religious freedom". AS a result of this law, what percent of catholics in AMerica would be prohibited from devoutly following their religious doctrine as defined by the Vatican or US Conference of Catholic Bishops? the answer to that question is easy, zero percent. Every single catholic in America can follow their religion 100 percent devoutly as a result of this law. And that in turn is what infuriates the bishops so much. They know this. It also simply allows for the "religious freedom" of the thousands upon thousands of non-catholics hired by the catholic institutions operating in the public shpere to be taken into account. It allows for a poor non-catholic woman to get some financial relief for trying to avoid the pure evil of abortion which she has heard from these bishops all her life. This controversy is simply a scam of epic proportions. Catholic institutions providing "religious" services only are certainly exempt from this law.

Also with the media now incessantly pounding the "IRan threat" 24-7, you know exactly the opposite is true. Iran is zero threat to this country.

[Riot]

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I tend to disagree. The mail service has been 100 percent accurate in my lifetime getting my payments of bills to large corporations. I mean 100 percent, zero have failed to make it there. They've all been cashed. In turn also 100 percent accuracy getting the bills from large corporations to me. Mom gets her Christmas package every single year...100 percent accuracy. Unbelievably good getting stuff from point A to pont B and they go places privatized places don't go. they may not make any money and lose a ton, but they handle the mail 100 percent correctly in my opinion. I view mail as the stuff that needs to get from point A to point B. Others may take a different view of it. So that is fine. By my perspective, they do what they do quite well.

Absolutely government run health care. It would end up way cheaper in the long run. Medicare for all.

....I'll vouch for that...

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I tend to disagree. The mail service has been 100 percent accurate in my lifetime getting my payments of bills to large corporations. I mean 100 percent, zero have failed to make it there. They've all been cashed. In turn also 100 percent accuracy getting the bills from large corporations to me. Mom gets her Christmas package every single year...100 percent accuracy. Unbelievably good getting stuff from point A to pont B and they go places privatized places don't go. they may not make any money and lose a ton, but they handle the mail 100 percent correctly in my opinion. I view mail as the stuff that needs to get from point A to point B. Others may take a different view of it. So that is fine. By my perspective, they do what they do quite well.

Absolutely government run health care. It would end up way cheaper in the long run. Medicare for all.

How long do you think the medical world would survive while "not making any money and losing a ton"? Think anyone will want to be a Dr.? Think pharmaceutical companies will continue to make wonder drugs that keep you alive? Wake up.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

How long do you think the medical world would survive while "not making any money and losing a ton"? Think anyone will want to be a Dr.? Think pharmaceutical companies will continue to make wonder drugs that keep you alive? Wake up.

it's already getting difficult to find doctors who will accept medicare/caid. the amount of money they will make vs the amount of work involved to accept those patients is becoming untenable for most doctors. so many are opting not to accept more patients who use those two coverages.

the cost of medical care in this country has exploded, while our health hasn't gotten any better. ACA isn't the problem solver, with premiums shooting thru the roof and medicaid set to drain more than the proposed medicare savings.

medicare and medicaid need revamping, as does SS. when SS began, almost no one got it. now, almost everyone does with most taking out 3X or more what they put in. that's what you call an impossible scenario to continue. the new york times recently ran that story-look it up.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

How long do you think the medical world would survive while "not making any money and losing a ton"? Think anyone will want to be a Dr.? Think pharmaceutical companies will continue to make wonder drugs that keep you alive? Wake up.

What are you talking about? If everyone had Medicare, health care would still be provided by private hospitals, doctors, etc. They wouldn't be broke. Pharmaceutical companies would still develop drugs. What would be removed is simply the price gouging.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

What are you talking about? If everyone had Medicare, health care would still be provided by private hospitals, doctors, etc. They wouldn't be broke. Pharmaceutical companies would still develop drugs. What would be removed is simply the price gouging.

C'mon, you are a Dr. If you had to go through all kinds of govt red tape to get paid what they thought was fair for what you were doing would you? Do you let clients decide what procedures should cost? Of course not.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

I tend to disagree. The mail service has been 100 percent accurate in my lifetime getting my payments of bills to large corporations. I mean 100 percent, zero have failed to make it there. They've all been cashed. In turn also 100 percent accuracy getting the bills from large corporations to me. Mom gets her Christmas package every single year...100 percent accuracy. Unbelievably good getting stuff from point A to pont B and they go places privatized places don't go. they may not make any money and lose a ton, but they handle the mail 100 percent correctly in my opinion. I view mail as the stuff that needs to get from point A to point B. Others may take a different view of it. So that is fine. By my perspective, they do what they do quite well.

Absolutely government run health care. It would end up way cheaper in the long run. Medicare for all.

knowing how rampant fraud is with the current medicare/caid set up, i cringe to think what would happen if everyone were in such a system.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

knowing how rampant fraud is with the current medicare/caid set up, i cringe to think what would happen if everyone were in such a system.

What do you think is "rampant"? What percentage of Medicare claims do you think are fraudulant? There's fraud, certainly, but I'd hardly describe it as "rampant". Medicare is an outstandingly cost-efficient and reliable insurance system. It's done very, very well. Adding multiple-millions of healthy, young individuals to it will only continue to bring costs down for everyone, while services - and payments to providers - can be expanded. And the jobs created will be massive. A win-win-win for everyone. And we can be just like other first world countries, instead of 27th and worse in health care quality and provisions.

Health care in the United States is our national embarrassment. Except for our Medicare system, which is outstanding and remarkably successful. Few receive health care in the US, and its the most expensive in the world, while not even in the top twenty in quality by any measurement. We can do better for ourselves.

Originally Posted by horseofcourse

. For profit health insurance companies need to be vaporized completely. It's a sad situation.

Yeah free health care for all with no deductibles...and if there are deductibles then absolutely no indemnity plans to cover that deductible.

F.uck 'em. No exchange of dollars. What do you think this is? A democracy?