Luck

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Pat-

I think Game of thrones and Sopranos are two of the best shows ever. I watch Trueblood. Treme. Boardwalk empire.

And each one of those shows was much better after the first two episodes in my opinion. Believe me-i want to like this show. I really do. Its just not very good so far. The pacing is slow and the only character that is remotely interesting thus far is the Peruvian trainer.

Of course i will watch it because I love the sport and I can halfway follow what is going on but so far its mediocre at best.

I respectfully disagree with your points. In terms of the pacing being to slow i would like an example of this if you would please? In my opinion the pacing is fine, we're not talking about a cop drama here, or a war battle type show no disrespect to those types of shows. My point is these characters and the stories are still being fleshed out in my opinion, i mean we are only 2 shows in here.

[mclem0822]

I am enjoying pretty much all the characters. Kevin done for example and his ball breaking of the other degenrates is making me laugh. I am also intrigued with upcoming characters, like Mike that Ace mentioned. I am guessing perhaps Michael Gambon may be portraying Mike, and he is a very talented actor in my opinion. I am pretty sure we're gonna see him this week in episode 3. Nolte's character Mr. Smith has this promising horse, and he's tabbed Gary Steven's jockey character to ride him, we know that character's got issues, so this big race upcoming in episode 4 is peaking my interest as well. I thought John Perrotta's writing was very good, between him and Milch we have some good unfolding storylines here folks, the wife and I are hooked and we think Luck is terrific. My wife is not really a racing fan, but she is into this and perhaps it will peak her interest in the game too, and that would be wonderful. As i am sure is is drawing other new fans to racing, which is very good as well.

[trackrat59]

Originally Posted by mclem0822

I am enjoying pretty much all the characters. Kevin done for example and his ball breaking of the other degenrates is making me laugh. I am also intrigued with upcoming characters, like Mike that Ace mentioned. I am guessing perhaps Michael Gambon may be portraying Mike, and he is a very talented actor in my opinion. I am pretty sure we're gonna see him this week in episode 3. Nolte's character Mr. Smith has this promising horse, and he's tabbed Gary Steven's jockey character to ride him, we know that character's got issues, so this big race upcoming in episode 4 is peaking my interest as well. I thought John Perrotta's writing was very good, between him and Milch we have some good unfolding storylines here folks, the wife and I are hooked and we think Luck is terrific. My wife is not really a racing fan, but she is into this and perhaps it will peak her interest in the game too, and that would be wonderful. As i am sure is is drawing other new fans to racing, which is very good as well.

I'm guessing that this show is drawing in as many fans as Zenyatta did.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by mclem0822

I respectfully disagree with your points. In terms of the pacing being to slow i would like an example of this if you would please? In my opinion the pacing is fine, we're not talking about a cop drama here, or a war battle type show no disrespect to those types of shows. My point is these characters and the stories are still being fleshed out in my opinion, i mean we are only 2 shows in here.

No Disrespect but you disagree about pacing but then you talk about the characters and stories still being "fleshed out" after 110 minutes. Point given.

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

No Disrespect but you disagree about pacing but then you talk about the characters and stories still being "fleshed out" after 110 minutes. Point given.

Yes I did talk about the characters, directly after asking you for an example of the pacing of the show being bad. Which you have yet to sight? I was pointing out in terms of the characters, I find more than 1 character interesting is all. We can agree to disagree.

I'm actually getting into the character development now, but I don't get the Dustin Hoffman character and his interplay with Farina. He seems to spend the entire time he's on screen gazing into space with a "thousand-mile" stare. I don't get his part of the story.

Will probably stay with it for a few more episodes; I hear it gets better. The pace and sound in the third episode were much improved.


Ocala Mike

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by mclem0822

Yes I did talk about the characters, directly after asking you for an example of the pacing of the show being bad. Which you have yet to sight? I was pointing out in terms of the characters, I find more than 1 character interesting is all. We can agree to disagree.

You missed the point. We are now over 160 minutes into the show and nothing has really happened. Has there been anything dramatic or suspenseful? Any storyline that has developed?

It is a matter of opinion and if you Like the show, then great. I don't think it has been very good thus far but I am holding out hope for improvement.

[-BT-]

i literally can't understand 90% of the things that come out of nick nolte's mouth....it's horrible

-bt-

[tector]

I don't really have any problem with the show, other than the Hoffman storyline. The rest is fine.

Hoffman was a tremendous actor in his day--a day which included the likes of Deniro, Pacino, Nicholson and Hackman, all of whom were incredible in their prime. But none of them have done much of anything of note in 15 to 20 years. Hoffman is flat-out embarrassing in this role.

I have no problem understanding Nolte's dialogue, to the extent I think it is meant to be understood, so I don't know what you you guys are talking about. Turn on the closed captioning if you have an issue (that's what I had to do for my wife for the UK version of Life on Mars).

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by tector

Turn on the closed captioning if you have an issue .

finally did this for episode 3. CC doesn't even understand what Escalante is saying, though it did clear up the grunts and wheezes that spill out of Nolte's character's mouth - which I now find out - apparently masquerade as dialogue.

Really trying to find one redeeming quality of this - Can't agree more that the Hoffman character is about as peculiar, unimaginative, and boring as anything I've ever seen him play. The interplay w/ Farina is cumbersome, awkward, and thoroughly uninteresting.

Apparently whoever this "Mike" character is, he is going to save this show after week 4. I hope so, because the current roster/script is abysmal.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by tector

I don't really have any problem with the show, other than the Hoffman storyline. The rest is fine.

Hoffman was a tremendous actor in his day--a day which included the likes of Deniro, Pacino, Nicholson and Hackman, all of whom were incredible in their prime. But none of them have done much of anything of note in 15 to 20 years. Hoffman is flat-out embarrassing in this role.

I have no problem understanding Nolte's dialogue, to the extent I think it is meant to be understood, so I don't know what you you guys are talking about. Turn on the closed captioning if you have an issue (that's what I had to do for my wife for the UK version of Life on Mars).

While I don't like the Hoffman character/storyline (as of yet), I think you are being a bit harsh. There is nothing wrong with his acting. I do think that the problem is that since we are all racing fans, we are having a serious disconnect with Hoffman and his character because it really hasn't had anything to do with racing up until this point. Obviously I have enjoyed all the other storylines/scenes that revolve around the track.

It does look like it's slowly starting to come together and should continue to get better. The other thing that struck me is how good Gary Stevens has been.

[mclem0822]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

You missed the point. We are now over 160 minutes into the show and nothing has really happened. Has there been anything dramatic or suspenseful? Any storyline that has developed?

It is a matter of opinion and if you Like the show, then great. I don't think it has been very good thus far but I am holding out hope for improvement.

Maybe I am nuts, but in my opinion we saw a pretty big happening at the end of the very first show. The P6 hit. The fallout of which for these characters is still unfolding, which to me has been very interesting. But it is a matter of opinion, and I hope it gets better for you.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by mclem0822

Maybe I am nuts, but in my opinion we saw a pretty big happening at the end of the very first show. The P6 hit. The fallout of which for these characters is still unfolding, which to me has been very interesting. But it is a matter of opinion, and I hope it gets better for you.

Okay, in over 160 minutes, the biggest happening was a group of stereotype degenerates hit a pick 6. And the fallout?

- one of them gets nearly beaten to death by two run down prostitutes/grifters over some insurance scam that never turned out. (not sure but i think that is why they beat him up)

- one of them loses a couple of hands of cards and wins a nice pot against a cliche chinese restaruant owner/poker player

- one of them wants to claim a horse but loses in a shake but then goes back and buys the horse at 4x the claim.

- one is grumpy and rides on his mechanized wheel chair with his loot in a pillow case.


Call me a snob, but i don't find any of this very interesting. Certainly no knock on anyone that does. And i appreciate the sentiment- i hope it gets better as well.

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

Okay, in over 160 minutes, the biggest happening was a group of stereotype degenerates hit a pick 6. And the fallout?

- one of them gets nearly beaten to death by two run down prostitutes/grifters over some insurance scam that never turned out. (not sure but i think that is why they beat him up)

- one of them loses a couple of hands of cards and wins a nice pot against a cliche chinese restaruant owner/poker player

- one of them wants to claim a horse but loses in a shake but then goes back and buys the horse at 4x the claim.

- one is grumpy and rides on his mechanized wheel chair with his loot in a pillow case.


Call me a snob, but i don't find any of this very interesting. Certainly no knock on anyone that does. And i appreciate the sentiment- i hope it gets better as well.

It's not easy to make this type of show for modern horse racing.

Two of the bettors (the degen who plays poker and the guy in the wheel chair) are belivable and remind me of people I know from the track.

They really have to reach in a lot of areas to get the drama...where incredible true story drama and charchters would have been there in a late 1800's time period.

I still have enjoyed the first 3 episodes though.