US Navy saves Iranian sailors from pirates

[DaTruth]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think it's strait of hormuz, oman sea...at any rate, there's a lot of ocean out there. we don't have our fleet out there at all times; that would be impossible.
typically a ship does a six month cruise in a 3 year period. they have shorter times at sea at other times. but saltwater and time at sea is hard on a ship-they have to re-fit, perform maintenance, and of course you have to take the sailors into consideration.
so, take the number of ships and do the math to see how often a portion is at sea. also consider that a part of that number is assigned to a carrier to form a battle group-they sail when she sails. that group in turn is part of a fleet-the fifth in bahrain for example. and of course part of each fleet is submarines.
so, take that number, and then look at the sheer amount of water to be covered. it's a difficult task. we're spread thin, with plenty of places we have to patrol.

I copied sea of Hormuz from Riot. You know that she is always right.

The U.S. Navy either goes after pirates aggressively or it doesn't. I don't think it does. We don't need naval vessels to track suspected pirates; we can depend on our eyes in the sky to do that. It isn't like the pirates are taking over vessels and disappearing, as they are holding the vessels and crew captive for ransom, although in one instance they killed Americans as retaliation for a pirate receiving a lengthy prison sentence.

Who knows why we don't treat sea piracy as seriously as we should. Our government doesn't take our illegal immigration problem as seriously as it should either, so why should I expect it to devote the resources and personnel to a problem a world away.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

The U.S. Navy either goes after pirates aggressively or it doesn't. I don't think it does.

Who knows why we don't treat sea piracy as seriously as we should.

You don't "think" the US Navy goes after pirates aggressively? You don't "think" we treat sea piracy seriously? Fine.

Got any, you know, actual evidence for that opinion? Or is it true just because you think it? Why do you think we do not do that?

We are part of a 25-nation anti-sea piracy organization, with some of our naval troops devoted to this international cause. So please, tell us why your opinion has any basis in example. Because you just saying it doesn't make it true.

And don't get me wrong: I'm not saying your opinion is wrong or not true. I'm just saying it doesn't seem to be backed by any obvious evidence. As I asked you before, why do you hold that opinion?

Our government doesn't take our illegal immigration problem as seriously as it should either,

Yeah. More illegals have been kicked out in the past three years than in the entirely of the Bush administration.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by DaTruth

I copied sea of Hormuz from Riot. You know that she is always right.

The U.S. Navy either goes after pirates aggressively or it doesn't. I don't think it does. We don't need naval vessels to track suspected pirates; we can depend on our eyes in the sky to do that. It isn't like the pirates are taking over vessels and disappearing, as they are holding the vessels and crew captive for ransom, although in one instance they killed Americans as retaliation for a pirate receiving a lengthy prison sentence.

Who knows why we don't treat sea piracy as seriously as we should. Our government doesn't take our illegal immigration problem as seriously as it should either, so why should I expect it to devote the resources and personnel to a problem a world away.

well, for one, it's not a priority for us. honestly, have the pirates really affected americans? i don't think they have. in the grand scheme of things, i'd imagine it's far down our list of things to do. those countries affected more have capabilities to go over there-it doesn't seem high on their list either.
like i showed above, we do have limited resources. we have to choose which battles to fight.
obviously if we had a naval presence right there, the pirates would stay on shore. once we leave, they'd be back out there. and we've got plenty of other things to handle as well.

as for illegal immigration, we've had that discussion on here before. and that all comes down to money. unless someone is paying cash under the table, it's not a big issue for the feds. social security benefits from all the money flowing in from undocumented workers and their employers-but they'll never collect that, will they? now, give them citizenship-and you've got future collectors. it's all about the money. it's always about the money.

[Riot]

I guess it's just that if the actuality doesn't feed the preconceived idea, you ignore it.
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Under the Obama administration, deportations have increased to record levels beyond the level reached by the George W. Bush administration with a projected 400,000 deportations in 2010, 10 percent above the deportation rate of 2008 and 25 percent above 2007.

Fiscal year 2011 saw 396,906 deportations, the largest number in the history of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

Of those, 216,698 had been convicted of crimes, including:

* 44,653 convicted of "drug-related crimes"
* 35,927 convicted of driving under the influence
* 5,848 aliens convicted of sexual offenses
* 1,119 convicted of homicide

[dellinger63]

We risked American troops and spent American money to save Iranian fishermen?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

We risked American troops and spent American money to save Iranian fishermen?

Del I would hope that Iranian Navy would also save any countries innocent civilians from Pirates including ours.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by jms62

Del I would hope that Iranian Navy would also save any countries innocent civilians from Pirates including ours.

all ships must answer distress calls if they are in the vicinity. of course that might not include piracy. i'd imagine the iranian captives didn't care whose flag was flying from the mast, they're just happy to be home. well, i guess they're happy to be home. at least i'm sure they were happy to be rescued.

i think merchant shipping might consider hiring some armed guards for their vessels in that region. a couple of .50 cals in the right spot, and in the right hands, would nip piracy in the bud.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

We risked American troops and spent American money to save Iranian fishermen?

Yes, Dell. We participate the 25-nation anti-piracy patrol, patrolling international waters with those other member nations. That benefits American ships, too. You should thank those other nations for looking out for your azz.

[clyde]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, Dell. We participate the 25-nation anti-piracy patrol, patrolling international waters with those other member nations. That benefits American ships, too. You should thank those other nations for looking out for your azz.

It's funny, the US ships seem to have vastly better pirate finding equipment than those other 24.


So very odd.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, Dell. We participate the 25-nation anti-piracy patrol, patrolling international waters with those other member nations. That benefits American ships, too. You should thank those other nations for looking out for your azz.

You're so clueless you're dangerous.

Bahrain, Jordan, Greece, Kuwait, Pakistan, UAE and Turkey? They are somehow looking out for my azz?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You're so clueless you're dangerous.

Bahrain, Jordan, Greece, Kuwait, Pakistan, UAE and Turkey? They are somehow looking out for my azz?

Why don't you fake-author an article on it? Here, use some facts:

http://www.icc-ccs.org/index.php?opt...map&Itemid=219

Don't forget Sweden and India. England. Of course, you're so clueless, you're dangerous. Seriously? Does your ignorance and childish insult have a point? Yeah, other countries help protect your azz. Get over it. You're so astounded? Get over it. Welcome to reality. You don't like or trust Muslims or any foreigners? You don't like spending any money? You hate the government taking your tax dollars? Yes, we get that. You have spent years here whining about the results gained by your tax dollars, all the while refusing to give up any of the benefits you get from that. Let alone realize that your tax dollars enables your freedom to whine. Your whining now about American tax dollars saving lives shows how isolationist, selfish and silly you are.

[dagolfer33]

I heard a rumor that most pirates, as well as rap and hip-hop stars, are democrats. Again, just a rumor I heard.

[dagolfer33]

Originally Posted by dagolfer33

I heard a rumor that most pirates, as well as rap and hip-hop stars, are democrats. Again, just a rumor I heard.

.... Some are from Mississippi as well, such as the legendary country band, Pirates of the Mississippi.