obama should lose

[Riot]

OWS type activists and the Dem base are already focused on downticket races and taking back the House (and expanding Senate) in a 1964 type sweep.

[hi_im_god]

the futures market is more accurate than any poll and it's basically calling the election too close to call.

http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/co...tractId=743474

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

OWS type activists and the Dem base are already focused on downticket races and taking back the House (and expanding Senate) in a 1964 type sweep.

Hold on now....I thought OWS was non-partisan????

Based on your comment they are not only not non-partisan but arent particularly lucid either.

[Cannon Shell]

The election for President is going to be won or lost on who runs the more effective attack ads. Obama cant run on his record because it is not only dismal he has pissed off the far lefties which made getting him elected a huge priority in 2008 because they mistakenly thought he was one of them (probably wont see that swell of grassroots support). The GOP nominee is going to face the fact that they probably dont have much of a record and will need to stay right to keep the religious nuts happy (especially Romney who will be looked upon warily by the South) in case plain hatred for Obama is not enough to make them actually get out and vote.

I predict that we see new lows in ad's on both sides as both Obama and the GOP nominee wont do anything but appeal to the base and try to trick indy's, not by swaying them FOR them but against the other guy.

Obama is lucky that all the sane and reasonable GOP potentials are keeping a low profile and not running because he really has very little going for him at this point. The fact that he is even with the bunch of misfits says all you need to know about what people think of his Presidency.

I do like the lower volume commercial thing though

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The election for President is going to be won or lost on who runs the more effective attack ads. Obama cant run on his record because it is not only dismal he has pissed off the far lefties which made getting him elected a huge priority in 2008 because they mistakenly thought he was one of them (probably wont see that swell of grassroots support). The GOP nominee is going to face the fact that they probably dont have much of a record and will need to stay right to keep the religious nuts happy (especially Romney who will be looked upon warily by the South) in case plain hatred for Obama is not enough to make them actually get out and vote.

I predict that we see new lows in ad's on both sides as both Obama and the GOP nominee wont do anything but appeal to the base and try to trick indy's, not by swaying them FOR them but against the other guy.

Obama is lucky that all the sane and reasonable GOP potentials are keeping a low profile and not running because he really has very little going for him at this point. The fact that he is even with the bunch of misfits says all you need to know about what people think of his Presidency.

I do like the lower volume commercial thing though

i think the fact that obama will be running a seriously negative campaign is a given. it'll be a far cry from the high tone of the 2008 "hope and change" campaign. they'll be all out to paint romney as an out of touch plutocrat who shipped jobs overseas. obama won't get re-elected if he doesn't make the choice between him and something worse.

they're already running ad's in swing states trying to define romney. i'm just glad i live where the election result is a given. neither campaign will waste a whole lot of ad $ is california. the new volume rules don't go into effect until next december and it's going to be a loud campaign.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

The election for President is going to be won or lost on who runs the more effective attack ads. Obama cant run on his record because it is not only dismal he has pissed off the far lefties which made getting him elected a huge priority in 2008 because they mistakenly thought he was one of them (probably wont see that swell of grassroots support). The GOP nominee is going to face the fact that they probably dont have much of a record and will need to stay right to keep the religious nuts happy (especially Romney who will be looked upon warily by the South) in case plain hatred for Obama is not enough to make them actually get out and vote.

I predict that we see new lows in ad's on both sides as both Obama and the GOP nominee wont do anything but appeal to the base and try to trick indy's, not by swaying them FOR them but against the other guy.

Obama is lucky that all the sane and reasonable GOP potentials are keeping a low profile and not running because he really has very little going for him at this point. The fact that he is even with the bunch of misfits says all you need to know about what people think of his Presidency.

I do like the lower volume commercial thing though

the lefties might be pissed, but they're still going to vote for obama...or not vote. they won't vote for the opposition. just like the right-it's not like they're going to vote for obama, no matter how unpalatable romney might be. it's the indies, the middle who will decide, just like always. obama said himself that if he didn't fix things, he'd be a one termer. of course he'll run on a four years isn't enough to fix things type campaign, which is correct. but he dug himself that hole, now he'll have to get out of it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Danzig

the lefties might be pissed, but they're still going to vote for obama...or not vote. they won't vote for the opposition. just like the right-it's not like they're going to vote for obama, no matter how unpalatable romney might be. it's the indies, the middle who will decide, just like always. obama said himself that if he didn't fix things, he'd be a one termer. of course he'll run on a four years isn't enough to fix things type campaign, which is correct. but he dug himself that hole, now he'll have to get out of it.

People think that the Indy's will be the determining factor but that assumes that the party lines will be balanced which they may not be. In other words the people who don't show up to vote will be as important as those who do. Far left liberals are as vindicitve as they are idealistic (it doesnt matter for the purposes of this post that most of those ideas are wrong). If they think that they have been wronged by Obama(which a whole lot of them do) they may rather not show up to vote which will be a huge loss for O. I have a feeling that the Right will be far more motivated to show up though I suppose that the loser of the last election will usually be. If a far greater percentage of rigties show up than lefties than winning the indy vote is less important and it is hard to imagine that it wont be close to an even split right now considering the direction of the country and the weakness of the GOP contender

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Hold on now....I thought OWS was non-partisan????

Based on your comment they are not only not non-partisan but arent particularly lucid either.

Sigh ....

Originally Posted by Riot
OWS type activists and the Dem base are already focused on downticket races and taking back the House (and expanding Senate) in a 1964 type sweep.

Yes. OWS type activists are focused on downticket races, getting the best candidate that meets Occupy values in. Not on getting Obama re-elected. Yes, Occupy is non-partisan, looking closely at individual candidates. There are plenty of Dems that will be primaried, or not supported, due to their views. Some Dems (like Warren) will be strongly supported. No Republicans will be. Plenty of support for Ron Paul in Occupy.

Yes. The Dem base are already focused on downticket races and taking back the House (and expanding Senate) in a 1964 type Democratic sweep.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Sigh ....



Yes. OWS type activists are focused on downticket races, getting the best candidate that meets Occupy values in. Not on getting Obama re-elected. Yes, Occupy is non-partisan, looking closely at individual candidates. There are plenty of Dems that will be primaried, or not supported, due to their views. Some Dems (like Warren) will be supported. No Republicans will be. Plenty of support for Ron Paul in Occupy.

Yes. The Dem base are already focused on downticket races and taking back the House (and expanding Senate) in a 1964 type Democratic sweep.

uh what?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

uh what?

Uh ... it's not based upon party affiliation, but on what the candidate stands for, and what their actual record is regarding lobbying money, etc.

Like this part you didn't highlight: There are plenty of Dems that will be primaried, or not supported, due to their views.

I know that for folks like you, that view the political parties like sports teams, where the opponent can never, ever, EVER be supported, no matter what, it's hard to understand voting for candidates NOT based upon political party, but upon their actions and record.

[pointman]

I hope that both Barbara Streisand and Alec Baldwin promise to move out of the US again this time if a Republican president gets elected and actually stick to their worthless word when it happens.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

Uh ... it's not based upon party affiliation, but on what the candidate stands for, and what their actual record is regarding lobbying money, etc.

Like this part you didn't highlight: There are plenty of Dems that will be primaried, or not supported, due to their views.

I know that for folks like you, that view the political parties like sports teams, where the opponent can never, ever, EVER be supported, no matter what, it's hard to understand voting for candidates NOT based upon political party, but upon their actions and record.

You can't say that they will support no Republicans then in the next sentence say there is a lot of support for Paul who at last look was a Republican. And please stop trying to make a group that only supports one brand of politician (democrats) as non-partisan.

The irony of your post (as usual) is that you say "folks like me" only support one party no matter what when it is YOU who is on record (broken record) as saying that they will NEVER vote for the GOP again.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

You can't say that they will support no Republicans then in the next sentence say there is a lot of support for Paul who at last look was a Republican.

Paul is no Republican, he is a Libertarian. Past NH, he'll be running as an independent.

And please stop trying to make a group that only supports one brand of politician (democrats) as non-partisan.

Yes, it's clear you know all Occupy Do tell, what Republican candidates or politicians share Occupy values? It's pretty clear that the vast majority of politicians: 100% of Repubs and many-most Dems - are in the pocket of corporate-owned government. Plenty of Dems won't be remotely supported by Occupy.