Never Retreat: It's Not Over Yet

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

I'm pretty sure I only questioned why she was odds-on, not why she was favorite.



What about Unbridled Humor? She was facing similar horses as Never Retreat and holding her own. The fact of the matter is that Never Retreat had hardly separated herself from her division to warrant such low odds in a race of that calibur.



But she's a deserving odds-on favorite right? She holds such a superior position over the rest of the field that she should be able to handle a little 3-wide trip and still make a dent. She was no threat at any point.



Again, ignore Unbridled Humor to fit your argument. The point about her beating Together was that the Grade 1 at Keeneland proved the 3yo filly division was not too far behind the older mares, if at all.



Actually, in addition to revisiting the Matriarch, I commented on the silliness of bringing her out for one more go 'round simply because she got beat at Hollywood.

At the very least, my comments were restricted to Never Retreat and not Uncle Mo or Facebook.

Thanks for playing.

I thought the Uncle Mo FB status was worth posting somewhere, but not worth a thread. I think its cool that a great horse can also type.

[RockHardTen1985]

I guess being wide the entire way with no cover at all is a good trip. That specific turf course especially you need to save ground.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I guess being wide the entire way with no cover at all is a good trip.

Did I say it was a good trip? No. I said she shouldn't have been odds-on. Wide trip or not, she didn't run like she was 4-5.

Nevertheless, I'll play devil's advocate. It was another one of your magical wide, no cover trips in a small field. She was 2 wide into the first turn and then remained 2-wide drafting in behind Quiet Oasis down the backstretch. Leparoux took her out one path entering the stretch and she had no punch, all out just to collar the hopeless Quiet Oasis and the fading Unbridled Humor.

I predict she will fail to run like a 1-5 shot in the Grade 3 Marshua's River, too.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Did I say it was a good trip? No. I said she shouldn't have been odds-on. Wide trip or not, she didn't run like she was 4-5.

Nevertheless, I'll play devil's advocate. It was another one of your magical wide, no cover trips in a small field. She was 2 wide into the first turn and then remained 2-wide drafting in behind Quiet Oasis down the backstretch. Leparoux took her out one path entering the stretch and she had no punch, all out just to collar the hopeless Quiet Oasis and the fading Unbridled Humor.

I predict she will fail to run like a 1-5 shot in the Grade 3 Marshua's River, too.

You have responded to a bunch of nothing, but please respond to this because now you have peeked my interest. What exactly does this mean "another one of your magical wide, no cover trips in a small field"
If your implying I dont know how to watch a race then Ill take offense to that. Maybe 6 years ago when I was here as pg1985 I did not know better. At this point I think I have watched enough races, read enough and hung around enough people and places like this to know a bad trip. You dont want to be wide with no cover on the turf. Im also 100% sure Im not the only one who did not like her trip. I think her trip was mentioned on the National Racing Report also. Ill stand by this.... wide with no cover in that press position is the worst place to be during a race. I have always felt that way and nothing will change that. More often then not you see a horse in that position look loaded turning for home to have absolutely
nothing when its time to run.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

You have responded to a bunch of nothing, but please respond to this because now you have peeked my interest. What exactly does this mean "another one of your magical wide, no cover trips in a small field"

Mr. Commons in the Del Mar BC Mile.

If your implying I dont know how to watch a race then Ill take offense to that. Maybe 6 years ago when I was here as pg1985 I did not know better. At this point I think I have watched enough races, read enough and hung around enough people and places like this to know a bad trip. You dont want to be wide with no cover on the turf. Im also 100% sure Im not the only one who did not like her trip. I think her trip was mentioned on the National Racing Report also.

I agree I've been responding to a bunch of nothing; this is more of the same. Once again, I never said her trip was ideal. I simply said her post time odds were out of whack. Regardless, she wasn't particularly wide. I don't buy the excuse that her trip explains her utter failure at odds-on.

Ill stand by this.... wide with no cover in that press position is the worst place to be during a race. I have always felt that way and nothing will change that.

So says RockHardTen1985. But what would the 6-year old pg1985 have said?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Mr. Commons in the Del Mar BC Mile.



I agree I've been responding to a bunch of nothing; this is more of the same. Once again, I never said her trip was ideal. I simply said her post time odds were out of whack. Regardless, she wasn't particularly wide. I don't buy the excuse that her trip explains her utter failure at odds-on.



So says RockHardTen1985. But what would the 6-year old pg1985 have said?

If I knew how to do quotes like this I would, but I dont.... Lets start with Mr. Commons you were wrong then and your wrong now. Simple enough, right? I guess we are fighting about nothing then, because I said her odds were to low also. I said she should have been around 7-5. I guess we are fighting about $3.60 and $4.40?? I wont even respond to the last comment.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

If I knew how to do quotes like this I would, but I dont....

Maybe in another 6 years then...

Lets start with Mr. Commons you were wrong then and your wrong now.

Why am I wrong? Mr. Commons still hasn't done anything of consequence to suggest that it was the trip did him in at Del Mar.

Simple enough, right? I guess we are fighting about nothing then, because I said her odds were to low also. I said she should have been around 7-5. I guess we are fighting about $3.60 and $4.40??

You said she was a tad overbet. I said she was way overbet. You kept making excuses for her, citing her brutal trip. I said she didn't deserve to be odds-on. I said her trip wasn't as bad as some would let on.

I wont even respond to the last comment.

Just did.

[Port Conway Lane]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

If I knew how to do quotes like this I would, but I dont....

Use the icon directly to the left of the # sign on the menu bar.