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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

they'll get as far as their defense takes them.

it takes a lack of perpective of how good nfl players really are to degrade the broncos for winning 7 of 8 games.

at the time when the lions beat denver, they were considered one of the best teams in football. I guess Tebow deserves the criticism that he is 7-1 instead of 8-0.

no one is degrading them! at least no one i've heard, read...

to be honest, i'd love for them to win out. it would crack me up immensely to see so many who completely discounted tebow and co to do that. but do i expect it? no. that doesn't make me a hater. that makes me a realist.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Danzig

no one is degrading them! at least no one i've heard, read...

to be honest, i'd love for them to win out. it would crack me up immensely to see so many who completely discounted tebow and co to do that. but do i expect it? no. that doesn't make me a hater. that makes me a realist.

i dont think you are a hater. I've just said that the competition arguement is an arguement that "haters" use. because they are making up talking points that lack perspective because tebow keeps doing something they dont think he can do.. win.

I dont think the Broncos will beat the Patriots on sunday. the Pats are a top 3 team in football IMO. but what will be idiotic, is if the pats win, everyone who doesnt root for Tebow will be "hey look and see.. Tebow sucks" and he'll still be 7-2 for a team he took over at 1-4 and everyone predicted they put tebow in so they can get the first pick in the draft.

[Antitrust32]

if DT makes that 55 yard TD catch he let slip through his hands... and Praters first 29 yard FG isnt blocked.. and the Broncos put up 20 points on Urlacher, Peppers, etc when they had those points in their grasp.... would you guys still be talking the same crap about the Broncos offense?

Would the broncos top 2 recievers be anything more than 4th or 5th WR's on 90% of NFL teams?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

if DT makes that 55 yard TD catch he let slip through his hands... and Praters first 29 yard FG isnt blocked.. and the Broncos put up 20 points on Urlacher, Peppers, etc when they had those points in their grasp.... would you guys still be talking the same crap about the Broncos offense?

Would the broncos top 2 recievers be anything more than 4th or 5th WR's on 90% of NFL teams?

I have been saying it since the start of the thread. They have no skill position players. Thomas is OK and young and fast. He also drops balls that Tebow puts right on his hands. He would be an up and coming 3 on most teams. Hes the 1 in Denver. Huge test this weekend for Denver I think we learn a lot more about them. Pats are my team and I have them as the #3 best team in the NFL behind Green Bay and Baltimore right now. Lets see if Denver is even competitive. It wont be a shock if they are.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I have been saying it since the start of the thread. They have no skill position players. Thomas is OK and young and fast. He also drops balls that Tebow puts right on his hands. He would be an up and coming 3 on most teams. Hes the 1 in Denver. Huge test this weekend for Denver I think we learn a lot more about them. Pats are my team and I have them as the #3 best team in the NFL behind Green Bay and Baltimore right now. Lets see if Denver is even competitive. It wont be a shock if they are.

the should be competitive because of their Defense. and the Pats D is a lot closer to Minny than to Chi-town. but, its still Tom Brady and the Pats are overall better than the Broncos.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Pats are my team and I have them as the #3 best team in the NFL behind Green Bay and Baltimore right now.

Is this the same team that just gave up 24 and 27 points to the Colts and Redskins? You honestly think they're better than Pittsburgh, Houston, New Orleans and San Francisco?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Is this the same team that just gave up 24 and 27 points to the Colts and Redskins? You honestly think they're better than Pittsburgh, Houston, New Orleans and San Francisco?

Yes I do. Like I said earlier though, Im a hardcore Pats fan but I dont think we are beating the Ravens this year. The D sucks and we dont have a vertical threat. If we did get by Baltimore I really dont think we can beat GB. The Texans will be 1 and done in the playoffs. Even if your Jets play them, I dont like there chances. Pittsburg is banged up, and they barley beat us in Pittsburg, the gap is close. New Orleans is good, but they wont beat Green Bay anyway. Same goes for San Fran.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Yes I do. Like I said earlier though, Im a hardcore Pats fan but I dont think we are beating the Ravens this year. The D sucks and we dont have a vertical threat. If we did get by Baltimore I really dont think we can beat GB. The Texans will be 1 and done in the playoffs. Even if your Jets play them, I dont like there chances. Pittsburg is banged up, and they barley beat us in Pittsburg, the gap is close. New Orleans is good, but they wont beat Green Bay anyway. Same goes for San Fran.

You're severely underestimating how good the Texans are.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Yes I do. Like I said earlier though, Im a hardcore Pats fan but I dont think we are beating the Ravens this year. The D sucks and we dont have a vertical threat. If we did get by Baltimore I really dont think we can beat GB. The Texans will be 1 and done in the playoffs. Even if your Jets play them, I dont like there chances. Pittsburg is banged up, and they barley beat us in Pittsburg, the gap is close. New Orleans is good, but they wont beat Green Bay anyway. Same goes for San Fran.

pats aren't as good as the saints or frisco. or maybe houston-altho the qb question is a big one.
the pats d is horrible, witness yesterdays game with the skins. wash's avg score per game was 17. they almost doubled that.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Yes I do. Like I said earlier though, Im a hardcore Pats fan but I dont think we are beating the Ravens this year. The D sucks and we dont have a vertical threat. If we did get by Baltimore I really dont think we can beat GB. The Texans will be 1 and done in the playoffs. Even if your Jets play them, I dont like there chances. Pittsburg is banged up, and they barley beat us in Pittsburg, the gap is close. New Orleans is good, but they wont beat Green Bay anyway. Same goes for San Fran.

THe team I really fear is the Giants. I think GB can beat NO again and anyone else who blitzes them, but NY can get there with 4 and I think Rodgers is more dangerous against the blitz than a straight four man rush.

Not worried about: Dallas, Atl, SF (Overated I think), Detroit, Chicago
Concerned about: NO
Worried about : NYG

[3kings]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Yes I do. Like I said earlier though, Im a hardcore Pats fan but I dont think we are beating the Ravens this year. The D sucks and we dont have a vertical threat. If we did get by Baltimore I really dont think we can beat GB. The Texans will be 1 and done in the playoffs. Even if your Jets play them, I dont like there chances. Pittsburg is banged up, and they barley beat us in Pittsburg, the gap is close. New Orleans is good, but they wont beat Green Bay anyway. Same goes for San Fran.

The NFL is all about match-ups. To say who is one and done before you see who they are playing is silly. New England would be a tough out for Baltimore who can't spread the field to take advantage of their awful secondary. Only Green Bay is above match-up concearns this year.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

i dont think you are a hater. I've just said that the competition arguement is an arguement that "haters" use. because they are making up talking points that lack perspective because tebow keeps doing something they dont think he can do.. win.

I dont think the Broncos will beat the Patriots on sunday. the Pats are a top 3 team in football IMO. but what will be idiotic, is if the pats win, everyone who doesnt root for Tebow will be "hey look and see.. Tebow sucks" and he'll still be 7-2 for a team he took over at 1-4 and everyone predicted they put tebow in so they can get the first pick in the draft.

too true.