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[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Newton is very good. If you subtract newton and tebow from their teams... the Broncos are about 4.7 million times better than the Panthers. So I wouldnt put the Panthers losses on Newton.

They were the two worst teams in the NFL last year, one is still pretty bad.
The Panthers have better wideouts, better (way better) running backs, better tight ends (two of the best in the league), a better QB (just ask anyone...), O-Line? Broncos were the worst rushing team in the league last year and for the first 5 games of the season.
On Defense Miller, Dumervil, Bailey are better than their counterparts other than that not so much.
And they have to have a better coach right?

14 picks...ouch.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

On Defense Miller, Dumervil, Bailey are better than their counterparts other than that not so much.

Their defense is in another universe compared to the Panthers. Miller is a legitimate DPOY candidate and Dumervil and Bailey are both great. Broderick Bunkley and D.J. Williams are also playing really well. Carolina's defense is terrible. Denver has a way better defense and way better special teams than Carolina. It's not close.

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Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Their defense is in another universe compared to the Panthers. Miller is a legitimate DPOY candidate and Dumervil and Bailey are both great. Broderick Bunkley and D.J. Williams are also playing really well. Carolina's defense is terrible. Denver has a way better defense and way better special teams than Carolina. It's not close.

I did not mention the special teams, they are playing really well, punting especially. Practice makes perfect.
Miller has to be ROY and at least top 3 for D. No argument there, but "4.7MM times better" is a stretch for a team that got one talented guy back from IR, one really, really good draft pick and started the "QB that could never be" 6 games through the season.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Their defense is in another universe compared to the Panthers. Miller is a legitimate DPOY candidate and Dumervil and Bailey are both great. Broderick Bunkley and D.J. Williams are also playing really well. Carolina's defense is terrible. Denver has a way better defense and way better special teams than Carolina. It's not close.

Pretty much the only parts of Carolina's team that are better than Denver are the WR's and TE's. Carolina's RB's are historically better, but MaGahee has some great talent IMO. and Tebow is a tough runner who is part QB/ part RB.

Clip Clop, there is no reason to discredit Newton to make Tebow look better. Newton throws the ball 30-50 times per game, he should have more interceptions than tebow who throw's 10-15 times per game. Newton is a lot closer to Vick, in a much bigger and more durable body. Tebow is closer to no one, he is his own mold. I friggin love Tebow, but Newton is and will be one hell of a quarterback.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Pretty much the only parts of Carolina's team that are better than Denver are the WR's and TE's. Carolina's RB's are historically better, but MaGahee has some great talent IMO. and Tebow is a tough runner who is part QB/ part RB.

Clip Clop, there is no reason to discredit Newton to make Tebow look better. Newton throws the ball 30-50 times per game, he should have more interceptions than tebow who throw's 10-15 times per game. Newton is a lot closer to Vick, in a much bigger and more durable body. Tebow is closer to no one, he is his own mold. I friggin love Tebow, but Newton is and will be one hell of a quarterback.

We will have to disagree on the RB's, Willis is having a great year and was probably the most talented back from the U in years til the knee. I am not trying to beat up Newton at all, think the kid is an amazing player and athlete. I think he needed a season and likely two seasons before he will even begin to reach his potential.
What people are not realizing (despite the insane amount of media coverage) is that Tebow has only started 9 games total, he too has a long way to go and a lot to learn.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

We will have to disagree on the RB's, Willis is having a great year and was probably the most talented back from the U in years til the knee. I am not trying to beat up Newton at all, think the kid is an amazing player and athlete. I think he needed a season and likely two seasons before he will even begin to reach his potential.
What people are not realizing (despite the insane amount of media coverage) is that Tebow has only started 9 games total, he too has a long way to go and a lot to learn.

Tebow is my favorite player in the NFL along with Shady. He's the man.

Some people think leadership in sports is overrated. I think those people are full of ****. With Tebow on offense and Dawkins on defense, you can't get better leaders than that. They lay their heart and soul on the line every play in every game and teammates respond to that.