Newt on "Occupy Wall Street"...

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by BigBlue

If you woke up tomorrow and needed somebody to take the reigns, you'd have to go with Newt, as imperfect as that might be. I think he's the only one with a fighting chance against President Obama - and I don't believe that will be (or should be) enough.

I agree - just one correction: I think you meant "take the reins". Sounds the same but big difference - after all, we are a constitutionally federated republic and we do not have a king - no matter what the current occupant of the White House thinks.

[Riot]

So you guys that like Newt ... do you like his idea for poor kids in elementary school working for their education by cleaning the bathrooms in their schools?

How about poor children being taken away from their parents, if the parents are on welfare, and put into orphanages to save the state money by not paying that parent for child welfare? You know, keep those welfare queens from making more babies just for the riches.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

So you guys that like Newt ... do you like his idea for poor kids in elementary school working for their education by cleaning the bathrooms in their schools?

How about poor children being taken away from their parents, if the parents are on welfare, and put into orphanages to save the state money by not paying that parent for child welfare? You know, keep those welfare queens from making more babies just for the riches.

Might be a little out there but......not very along in ago in this nations growing regions it was expected that if you could walk and talk you better get your butt to work to help out. Cut the grass , pull weeds, haul hay and muck stalls, along with feeidng the livestock. Everyone should know the value of hardwork its what makes getting an education more valuable.
Some of those kids from crap homes would be well served to learn how to clean and do janitorial work. They could grow up and have a skill, join the Union and get very well payed for scrubbing toilets.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

I agree - just one correction: I think you meant "take the reins". Sounds the same but big difference - after all, we are a constitutionally federated republic and we do not have a king - no matter what the current occupant of the White House thinks.

How so? Specific example?

[BigBlue]

Wow, if there's one word on this board that I should get right you would think it would be "reins." I appreciate the catch.

Given the developments of the last couple of days I would welcome some "reigning." All very sad. Sometimes I wish President Obama would do a little more reigning. Right now everything feels very directionless. Hard to believe 12 smart people can be put in a room for months and come out with nothing. I just have trouble understanding that.

[hi_im_god]

when do the tea partiers start chewing newt's leg off over his long standing support for individual mandates?

aren't we in a constitutional crisis over this?

that heritage foundation is a fount of socialistic idea's.

[Danzig]

i don't care for newt; i think he has too much baggage to actually be a viable candidate.
but, he's the latest non-romney to get attention. i don't care for any of the choices for 2010 at this point. and that includes the current office holder.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

when do the tea partiers start chewing newt's leg off over his long standing support for individual mandates?

aren't we in a constitutional crisis over this?

that heritage foundation is a fount of socialistic idea's.

Americans secretly love socialism. Newt vs. Obama will be an epic battle.

Originally Posted by Honu

Might be a little out there but......not very along in ago in this nations growing regions it was expected that if you could walk and talk you better get your butt to work to help out. Cut the grass , pull weeds, haul hay and muck stalls, along with feeidng the livestock. Everyone should know the value of hardwork its what makes getting an education more valuable.
Some of those kids from crap homes would be well served to learn how to clean and do janitorial work. They could grow up and have a skill, join the Union and get very well payed for scrubbing toilets.

Yeah how awful.

[Riot]

It seems Newts point was entirely missed by his fans:

Elementary school education should not be free and open to everyone.
It should be privatized and cost money.

(Right there, I can't see how anyone could support that change in the United States of America.)

Yet, Newt goes on:

Those children too poor to afford the cost of a basic education could work for it.

They could do so by doing a job that is now considered too dangerous and illegal for them to do (work with toxic chemicals, exposure to disease, etc)

Child labor laws are "stupid" (Newt's word) and now prevent that, and should be repealed to allow this.

Newts ideas have nothing at all to do with the way kids nowadays start their work careers at age 14 or so by working part-time after school or on weekends.

So what. Maybe with a little hard work we won't end up with feminine sissies like Justin Bieber.

[Honu]

Originally Posted by Riot

It seems Newts point was entirely missed by his fans:

Elementary school education should not be free and open to everyone.
It should be privatized and cost money.

(Right there, I can't see how anyone could support that change in the United States of America.)

Yet, Newt goes on:

Those children too poor to afford the cost of a basic education could work for it.

They could do so by doing a job that is now considered too dangerous and illegal for them to do (work with toxic chemicals, exposure to disease, etc)

Child labor laws are "stupid" (Newt's word) and now prevent that, and should be repealed to allow this.

Newts ideas have nothing at all to do with the way kids nowadays start their work careers at age 14 or so by working part-time after school or on weekends.

I had a work permit when I was 14 and had a weekend job that paid under the table cleaning stalls for a family friend when I was 13.
I was riding race horses at the track when I was 15 and I think I managed to scrub some bathrooms and clean in my dads machine shop without killing myself with disease and "toxic chemicals" somewhere around the age of 9 or 10 and I did it because I wanted to make some money.
I think if you give children who have been stuck in circle of poverty for generations a chance to learn something about hard work and earning money that they will be able to see that there is a light at the end of the tunnel and go on to make something of their lives.
There is nothing wrong with children getting a job and making some money if that is what they want to do. Kids in America have it pretty freaking good compared to the stories I have been told about working in fields all day long when you are 5 because if you didnt help out then you didnt eat.

Yeah and lets be real...Chicken McNuggets are more harmful to children than some cleaning supplies. They've got plastic in them, ffs.

Lets just stop with the disingenuous "Oh teh kids" nonsense that has basically turned all of them into wussies.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Honu

There is nothing wrong with children getting a job and making some money if that is what they want to do.

We are not talking in gross generalities (I had my first job at 12 years old), we are talking in specifics: do you think child labor laws and OSHA regulations should be repealed, so 10-year-old children can work as janitors in hospitals, schools, businesses?

Do you think 10-year-old children should work as janitors exactly as Newt said? Cleaning bathrooms, mopping halls, waxing floors, wiping up feces and urine, vomit, changing light bulbs, climbing ladders, etc?