Occupy Wall Street live - Day of Action

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Originally Posted by Danzig

gimme a break. anyone who does anything overt isn't actually an occupy protester, even if they are part of the movement? i'd call that cherry picking.

It's not cherry picking to refuse to let you, or a newspaper, paint all protesters with the same broad brush.

There are violent groups of people trying to associate with the movement, and the violence is completely rejected by the Occupy folks. Same thing happened in NY, when a few violent protesters marching with Occupy broke windows. They have a problem in Washington with homeless drug addicts in the camp.

Same thing happened with the everywhere picture of the guy from OWS in New York, with the very bloody head? He was destroying police barricades, in front of the police, and the cops closed down Zuccotti, came in, took him down, and his head is bloody from hitting the curb when they took him down (that's all on video). So when people call him a "victim" of police violence - they are not really correct. He was trying to incite violence.

The Occupy movement supports no violence or illegal actions other than misdemeanor civil disobedience.

Oakland has trouble, there is a violent faction there. You can read - as it's all public - on the blogs and websites where the Occupy camps hang out, they've talked about what they did with cutting the fence, and they do not like what this splinter group has done (occupying private property). They've had trouble since Quan attacked them, with a group that is following the violent and a group that is still refusing to.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's not cherry picking to refuse to let you, or a newspaper, paint all protesters with the same broad brush.

There are violent groups of people trying to associate with the movement, and the violence is completely rejected by the Occupy folks. Same thing happened in NY, when a few violent protesters marching with Occupy broke windows. They have a problem in Washington with homeless drug addicts in the camp.

Same thing happened with the everywhere picture of the guy from OWS in New York, with the very bloody head? He was destroying police barricades, in front of the police, and the cops closed down Zuccotti, came in, took him down, and his head is bloody from hitting the curb when they took him down (that's all on video).

The Occupy movement supports no violence or illegal actions other than misdemeanor civil disobedience.

Oakland has trouble, there is a violent faction there. You can read - as it's all public - on the blogs and websites where the Occupy camps hang out, they've talked about what they did with cutting the fence, and they do not like what this splinter group has done (occupying private property)

i understand that these protests will get hangers on who have their own agenda-but that certainly doesn't mean that the 'real' protesters are all lily white. not by a long shot. occupy spokespeople said they'd be in that lot a day or two; they obviously were aware of what it would take to occupy that lot.
but, if they want to pick and choose what laws to break, i guess they can't be surprised when they get arrested. i didn't know trespassing and destruction of property were misdemeanors.
or do they get their bad guy brothers to take all that heat while they stand by and claim innocence? but they'll move in after the hard work is done?

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Originally Posted by Danzig

i understand that these protests will get hangers on who have their own agenda-but that certainly doesn't mean that the 'real' protesters are all lily white. not by a long shot. occupy spokespeople said they'd be in that lot a day or two; they obviously were aware of what it would take to occupy that lot.
but, if they want to pick and choose what laws to break, i guess they can't be surprised when they get arrested. i didn't know trespassing and destruction of property were misdemeanors.

I didn't say they were. They clearly are not, which is why the non-violent Occupy doesn't support them. Put it this way: the Lawyer's Guild, who has been helping out all the Occupy protesters arrested for civil disobedience, may let them be on their own for that.

There is a vast difference between peaceful non-violent civil disobedience and breaking and entering, destroying property, taking over private property.

or do they get their bad guy brothers to take all that heat while they stand by and claim innocence? but they'll move in after the hard work is done?

Yeah, that's it. They are all hoping for violent anarchy. Like the Occupy protesters that just Friday were attacked by the police with pepper spray, yet lifted not one finger to defend themselves. Like the estimated 15,000 non-violent and peaceful protesters in New York, on the Brooklyn Bridge, last Thursday. Oh, wait - the media sorta ignored that. I think CBS evening news reported that event as, "200 or so people here in the park, it's dead here"

Right now, there is an Official Occupy drum circle (I hate drum circles, they are cruel and unusual punishment) on the edge of Central Park, near Mayer Michael Bloombergs townhouse. They are paying him back for his attention and devotion to Zuccotti park. !0:00pm is curfew. Will the protesters be rousted? Here's the live feed:http://www.ustream.tv/theother99

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